the whole point of me posting this topic was to figure out what car to buy... I have sent 3 letters to vicroads and gotten the same reply. I can not drive an r32 gts-t on my p's. There are about 4 N/A r34's on carsales in my area and i havent seen one in any local car yards. Besides one in dandenong but none where N/A. Ive had the guys on the forum and family members tell me to be sensable and not to worry about going fast until im off of my p's. Xr6 fits my needs fine, ide rather a skyline but it just isnt practical at the moment. Now you can pick on the 17 year old who doesnt know anything all day mate. But I find it hard to take you seriously when your display picture is of a my little pony, are you a legitimate brony? im hoping its just some kind of inside joke or something. Anyway thanks for your input i will most definitely not take it on board. Thankyou to everyone else who gave me actual informative feedback, not just on this topic but the other ones i have posted.