R32N1

Yeah this is awesome work by Mark. Clearly some of the figures I had previously quoted above were educated guesses. So will be nice to have it all detailed 100%.

Spectacular Mark. Thank you very much for all of your hard work.

You wont sell the R32 Terry!

I think that for that you will find that Nismos will rise in price sharply. Even more than they have already. With them now being legal in the US, the price of limited edition classic cars going crazy all over the planet and the way that the Japanese are increasingly putting a value on these cars, I expect for them to go up dramatically in the next 12-24 months.

Dear god! This is the stuff that dreams are made of if you are correct! Is it for sale?

There is nothing wrong with having two N1s, only right!

V Specs IIs Should have a yellow space saver, however they are different to the stock GTR space saver. As mentioned, they are 17 inch and are very bulbous (approx 1 inch wider) to fit over the brembos. Additionally, they are supposed to have a thick yellow piece of foam (approx 1 inch) that goes on the floor around the rest of the boots floor. This is to raise the floor level up, to the height of the wheel laying on its side. This makes the whole floor flat once the carpet goes on. That foam is apparently very rear and quite sort after in Japan. As over the years, they get thrown away and lost etc. So it is good to see that in the above link, that the car has this foam.

I would agree that it is a buyers market if you want an average GTR. However with limited edition GTRs, i would hardly say it is a buyers market, particularly not in Japan. But indeed, the more expensive the GTR, often the longer you will have to wait to find the right buyer.

That is a very interesting list Terry. Im sure you know alot more about the price of these in Australia than I do. Iron Chef may be able to help with this, but i would have thought that the price gap between N1s and Nismos in Japan, would have been mirrored or at least have some correlation with the price gap of N1s and Nismos in Australia. Again it is only my observation, but i would have thought that a Nismo would command around 25% less than a similar condition N1. Again this is only observation and also i may be bias

Obviously that is all an individual point of view. Most people would probably say that double the price for a car that is almost identical, with the main difference being a little blue chassis plate, is probably not worth it. However then you get people like myself, that willing to pay 3 x as much or more for that different little blue build plate, just to say i have an N1! I would say that all bar the Tommy Kaira is a good investment. I cant see too many people demanding Tommy Kaira's with too much enthusiasm. An N1, Nismo or ADM will all be solid investments and more importantly great cars with which you will be proud to drive.

Nice Bobby!!! Except they got years manufactured wrong (should be 1991-94), and the value, you cannot even buy the worst N1 in the world for $30k!

Is this a survey question as a matter of interest? Or are you actually interested in buying one? I personally would go with the Nismo out of those two. The Nismo is not actually that different to the stock GTR. They made a few slight changes, including full Nismo body kit (front bonnet lip, front bumper vents, Nismo sideskirts and Nismo Back boot lip), No rear windscreen wiper, no ABS and no AC as per standard. They also included slightly larger turbos (which are laggy and too large to be efficient at 0.8 bar). These were mostly to modify the aerodynamics of the R32 GTR for Homologation for Grp A racing. Grp A cars were not supposed to look the same as the factory car, which included spoiler kits etc. In stock form, the Nismos were not really any faster than standard R32 GTRs.(See youtube below) However, in saying all of this, everyone knows that the Nismo is the base for such historically classic race cars as the Calsonic GTR etc. Even though the Nismo has more units produced than the ADM, 500 (plus 60 odd that went directly to grp A teams) vs 100 for the ADM, internationally the demand for Nismos will outstrip the ADM 1000:1. So that should mean that the number of buyers competing for the few Nismos remaining ( I assume that many of them have been raced and crashed), should always mean that the Nismos command a higher purchase price. As im a kiwi and not Australian, i have no real interest in the ADMs at all, so maybe i am bias. Aussies will have to jump in here and give their points of view too. Possibly a better question is ADM vs Nismo vs N1? N1s only had 228 units produced, vs the 500 (plus 60) Nismos, vs the 100 for the ADMs. Unlike the Nismos (Group A), the N1s were for Group N endurance racing (off the show room floor racing). In the early 90s, Group N racing in Japan was very similar to Bathurst in the early 70s. You buy a car from a manufacturer, make very limited mods (tyres, brakes, suspension, exhaust and computer i believe) and then race it! So the GTR N1 was a semi prepped race car from Nissan. So the chassis is more rigid, engine built by hand, bigger turbos, lighter everything etc. Of the 228 R32 N1s Built, they can be split into 3, N1, V Spec N1 and V Spec II N1. To be honest i am not 100% sure of the exact break down in terms of quantity, but i believe that most of them were the initial N1 spec and the V Spec N1 and V Spec II N1 number approximately 50 each. From what i can tell from my general observations, N1s sell for approximately 25-30% more than Nismos in Japan. This is simply my general observations over the last 3 years. It is very hard to work out accurately with such a small number coming up for sale and condition varying so much. So in my mind, the wish list order in terms of both value and desirability for an Australian wanting to buy an R32 GTR should go like this (all things remaining equal) 1 - V Spec II N1 2 - V Spec N1 3 - N1 4 - Nismo 5 - ADM 6 - V Spec II 7 - V Spec 8 - Stock GTR. Of course this is just my opinion and everyone is different.

I know someone that has a non AC equip R32 N1. What is it that you would like to know? PM me.

ST Hitec dude. I would say that most people with nice GTRs use Soichi at ST Hitec. Not cheap, but very good. In Mt Wellington.

Does anyone know what that V Spec N1 sold for at auction? If it is the car that i think that it is, they wanted $64,000 USD ex yard for it in Aichi, Japan. Would be very interested to know what it sold for at Auction.

Here is a pic of the wiring in my N1 that i took on the weekend. SO it looks like at least my N1 has factory stereo wiring. I cannot confirm or deny if my car came with a stereo or not, as when i got it, it had an aftermarket head deck in it.

That car was amazing!

Good things take time my friend. I've had my n1 for 12 months and it is still not complied.

Great question. My assumption is that the N1s were not considered as v specs. They were the base cars that the N1s were built off. In the same way that v specs are built off stock gtrs. Would be nice to get a comprehensive answer though.

That is very nice. That rolled off the production line a few hundred after my V Spec II N1. Loving those LMGT1s. What are the details on the other N1 that has come into AUssie?

I posted this in the Rare skylines thread as well. But thought it was fitting to post it here too for those that are interested. Anyone interested in a Nismo? Here is one for sale in Japan. http://ucar.carview.yahoo.co.jp/model/nissan/skyline-gtr/6178987272UC/ and another one http://ucar.carview.yahoo.co.jp/model/nissan/skyline-gtr/7598391572UC/

Yeah it is awesome. Not immediately obvious either. That is why i thought i would say something. In case people didnt realise when they were applying them.

For every ones info. I replaced the V Spec II sticker on my car, with a genuine Nissan sticker. It was super expensive, but aside from that, the sticker is shaped to match the corner of the back boot like a template. This means that you can use the corners and edges of the boots to get the sticker in the exact factory position. Pretty sweet. I was surprised.