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do you still have the turbos? tried to pm but you box is full...

i started to do something similar but was going to use a full ecu. i bought and installed a shift kit valve body but after driving the car for about half an hour i took the shift kit back off because i found it too harsh and rather irritating to drive around normally. my understanding is that it does remove the need to have the auto computer retard the timing on the gear change but i would suggest having a ride in a car with the kit before you jump in.

I hooked up a datalogger to my 4 speed auto in my R33 and found 4 wires of interest Pin56 - Throttle position sensor signal to gbox (variable voltage) Pin5 - Was some sort of decelleration signal that seemed to trigger when decelleration was above a certain level. Signal from gbox to main ecu (goes low on activation) Pin 14 - Power upshift signal which activated on 1-2 or 2-3 upshifts at high throttle. From gbox to main ECU (goes low on activation) Pin 15 - Was some sort of acceleration signal that seemed to trigger above a certain throttle position but this varied a little. Main ecu to gbox (goes high on activation) Might be similar in the 5 speeds but i don't know for sure... I would be interested to find out more about what is happening in the computers but there doesn't appear to be much info around. neil

If you decide you want the stage 2 i have a MV valve body for sale at the moment for $250. Did about 20k on my car before i decided it was too firm and i changed it back to stock.

Was fitted to my car for about 2 weeks but have decided it wasn't what i was after. This is the one in the ongoing group buy which costs $385 if you want to keep the original valavebody like you can with this one. Will supply new brass plugs as came with it originally. Located in WA but will cost approx $30 to post. asking $280 PM me for details neil

It may reduce the wear to the friction surfaces but the shock loads on the drivetrain are now a lot higher. From what i hear the diff and gearsets in the transmission are pretty strong but i'm sure it would reduce the life of these to some extent. Uni joints would be the things to keep an eye on. But in the end i guess this is no different to any other mod you do to your car, there is always a longevity penalty to be paid for performance.

did it my self...

My problem is mostly the 1st - 2nd shift and to a lesser extent the 2nd - 3rd shift, 3rd - 4th seems unchanged. When it changes i just feels like the gear is engaged too quickly. At modest throttle levels (what i would call normal acceleration) the change jerks your head back even though you arent really going that quick. At full throttle i can feel the tyres break traction for a little bit and the car has a short burst of acceleration. Apart from being quite irritating i think this puts a lot of extra stress on the drivetrain. Keep in mind my engine is dead stock so i can't imagine what it would be like on some thing with a bit more poke. I have spoken to MV automatics about it and he has offered the 'next level down' which is supposed to be 30-40% of what i have, however he has said the brass plugs that replace the springs and modify the overlap stay. I'm thinking it may be the overlap change which is the source of my irritation. Anyway i have decided to go back to stock. This was in part something i wanted to try to reduce stress on the tranny when i get an aftermarket ECU, but i think it will just spend more time making sure its electronically interfaced and doing what it should. This isn't a slight against MV Automatics or there product it just wasn't what i am after.

Its a stage 2 kit which he said is the one he normally supplies... I think it's the same as everyone else in this thread has been getting but couldn't find a mention on the first page.

I bought one of these and think the shifts are way too hard... as a result mine is up for sale if anyone is interested. Link here. I'm in WA.

I read the following post on the perthstreetbikes site a few years ago when i started riding and found it very useful for making sure my head was in the right place when i got on my bike. keep safe peeps. Perthstreetbikes The text for those that can't be bothered signing up ----------------------------------------- Motorbikes are dangerous. Everything that old lady says to you under her breath at the traffic lights is true. Everything your mother said to you when you first got your bike is true. Do we do it because it’s an inexpensive method of transport? Hell no. Dont kid yourself. Take depreciation, insurance, maintenance cost, protective clothing costs, modifications, all those ….. ‘bits’ that you buy just because its your baby…. my bike would cost me way more each year than the Jaguar in the garage. Is it because its convenient? If you call not being able to store or carry anything and have to walk around carrying a helmet, jacket, gloves, whilst wearing boots that aren’t made for walking convenient. I own a Vespa. I can store two helmets in it, it has a shopping bag hook, costs nothing to insure, run, maintain and doesn’t depreciate. It has small brakes, tiny wheels, crappy rubber, no power and yet I consider it safer than my Gixer. The only reason for this is because I cant speed on it and I cant do 115kph around the Mill Point Road off ramp on it, and I cant wheelie it (yet) and the chances are if I come off, I am not going to be going that quick. I don’t own a GSX-R1000 arguably one of the fastest out of the box bikes on this planet for fuel economy, for parking convenience, to get through peak-hour traffic, to be good to the environment. The thing will go 25kph faster than the highest Western Australian posted speed limit.... in 1st gear..... and get there faster than you can say “two all beef patties”. 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You could go to work one day in a building in New York a few years ago, sit down at your PC and start drinking your morning coffee and someone decides to intentionally fly a 737 into the side of it. The fact of the matter is, the chances of probability of this happening to any of us is low, but if you ride a bike, these chances change… dramatically. The statistics show it. Its undeniable and plain as day. Every time your odometer clicks over one more klm, the sooner one of our numbers is going to come up - small drop or life threatening fall. Unfortunately, the statistics are also now becoming obvious to us all as PSB forum users. Back when we had 20 registered users, we never knew anyone that had an accident. You would just read about it in the paper, but now there are 400 users and growing daily, the statistics begin to show. We all now either know someone personally or know of someone indirectly that has had an accident. The reality is, as the forum continues to grow, statistics say this will get worse not better. If we want to continue to do what it is we all enjoy we have to be smarter than regular road users and try to bend the statistics to be a little more in our favour: Don’t speed on busy roads with lots of cross streets. Look left and right at the lights before you ride through them. Limit the use of your bike if possible for just enjoyment so that you don’t ride in ‘auto pilot’ mode whilst riding too and from work, take your cage instead. Choose your locations for fun carefully. Consider every car you approach as a threat. Consider every car that stops at a stop sign and looks in your direction as not being able to see you. Think yourself invisible. Look for an escape route in every situation and have that locked in ready to use. Always over indicate your intentions. 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Choose your time. Deej

updates? I reckon its an alignment issue... I have a 0.5 degree castor difference between sides which i have been told is the cause of a similar issue. I think my castor rod bushes are also flogged out so that doesn't help either.

I would suggest that when you say something is 'better' than something else you should back that up with an explanation of why. Popularity is not neccessarily an indication of superiority... for example VHS vs beta video. I have not had personal experience with either but from what i have seen the new wolfs have a lot of features, and certainly are certainly a lot more capable than the difference in price with a higher end autronic or motec would suggest. The only criticisms with any justification i have heard is a lack of load axis map points and the fact that the software is too complicated because on the number of features. I have played with the software and it seems ok but i can't comment on the load point thing. The PFC seems more popular mostly due to the simplicity of installation and tuning rather than any technical reason, which is definitely something in its favor. Like others have said it really comes down to what the person tuning it is capable and what you are trying to do. I a seriously considering a wolf at the moment and the amount of functionality is a real selling point to me... I like to be able to tinker and i think more features mean more flexibility to try thing later. If i had the money i would go for a motec with all the bells and whistles.

I would have thought that disconnecting a sensor would make the stock computer go into limp home mode... the standard oxygen sensor is only good if your chasing a afr near 14.7 but with a wideband should be able aim higher with a fair amount of accuracy.... i believe you can go as high as 20:1 but i think you would need to keep a close eye on the exhaust temp around there. You are probably right about not needing to be closed loop assuming it is well tuned. I have access to SAFC so perhaps it is something i will try first. thanks

What i want to do is to adjust the fueling to improve fuel economy on the highway which is 90% of what i use my car for. A piggy back won't help when the computer is in closed loop mode. I did think about disabling the oxygen sensor to trying to make it stay in open loop all the time but i suspect it wouldn't work and is not my prefered solution. An added benefit with an aftermarket ECU is the possibilty of using a wide band O2 sensor and possibly implementing a lean cruise closed loop mode. I haven't heard of anyone getting an aftermarket ECU to talk to to the factory auto properly but i suspect that due to limited demand not that many people have really tried. paul are you saying that main ecu decides when the gearbox is going to change? because i would have thought all of this would happen in the auto computer, with a signal back to the main ECU to say 'hey im about to change gear". Obviously the main ECU decides what to do when it gets this signal. The problem i can see is finding the signal and turning it into something an aftermarket ecu recognises. Looking at the info for the wolf v500 it has a provision to modify the ignition and fuel delivery based on user defined aux inputs, so it would just be a matter of configuring however much ignition retard when that "change gear" signal is present. Thinking about it further i don't think it would be overly difficult to use a microcontroller like a PIC to capture the signals you want and turn them into a usable output assuming some information is available on how it works..... I haven't been able to find anything so far