Ok, ok, guys I know I went a bit off track & probably deserve a bit of s$&t stirring at the end, haha. I'm bidding on car later tonight(think manual) & have another in Vic I'm viewing(auto) on w/e. Both gtt. Going back to my original question=I just wanted to know if autos & manuals had similar hp capabilities, yes Ben & Hadouken "Mod to the max" capabilities haha? To help me decide which one