Okay. just found out that my shop can get rotiforms in, and for wicked employee deals, so I am going to get a custom set of these made up. Going to stick with 8.5 wide to make choosing an offset a little more forgiving. I seen earlier in the thread someone said s2 rs4s should be good with +6 all around. Thoughts? Not opposed to guard rolling at all, would just like to be able to do without spacers.