Ronin 09

Thanks guys. Pinched from PaulR33's FAQ site here My Hand Controller freezes at the Apexi Logo. Why??? When you use an incorrect model hand controller on a PowerFC unit the hand controller will freeze at the Apexi Logo. I believe this occurs as during boot up the hand controller sends a "hello,ping" to the PowerFC using a specific CRC function (or possibly a shared key based on the model). The PowerFC replies with a preset "shared key" to suit that unit, such as an rb26 skyline shared key. If you are using a different hand controller then the packet is scrambled or fails CRC and boot up fails, the result the Hand Controller stays on the Apexi logo. The PowerFC will still work, it just means that you can't use the hand controller. The most common "in the wild" occurance of this we have seen is the first generation PowerFC's 2.x 3.x 4.x and using newer model hand controllers. There are quiet a few version "variants" in the wild and below is a list of them. This is taken from my own "in the wild" experience and what's on the Apexi site. It is by no means a perfect model list and it could be wrong or have errors/mistakes. Internal Apexi Model Name for Hand Controller FCC NT First generation to suit Nissan FCC FN Second generation to suit Nissan FCC AD First generation to suit Nissan Djetro FCC TS MR2 model FCC TZ MR2 model FCC SX Toyota Altezza/Lexus I think FCC ZF RX7 FCC ZG RX7 Second Generation FCC IH Honda Integra FCC2 SX Version 2 for Toyota Altezza/Lexus FCC2 JX Version 2 for Toyota Chaser FCC2 DK Version 2 for Evo Lancer FCC2 Version 2 general FCC3 Version 3 general FCC3 1JAT Version 3 Chaser Auto The main product codes seem to be FCC First Batch FCC2 Version 2 FCC3 Version 3 Units that are sold as Version 3 seem to be the newer PowerFC and Hand Controller bundle in one price/package. Most people that have brought a new PowerFC in the last 2-3 years should have this bundle/package. The Hand Controller versions for these units should 5.x 8.x and so on. Units that are sold as Version 2 seem to be expansions of the Version 1 run but with more cars supported. This is likely to be version 3.x and 4.x under ETC, VERSION Version 1 or FCC is likely to be the first generation PowerFCs and may even say 2.x under ETC,VERSION. The PowerFC also has an internal model or board number. My Skyline has FC-14B for its main board version. The main thing to note here is the sticker or product code on the PowerFC Shell. My skyline has ECR33. Other likely models would be GTR33 or SR20 and so on (basically the car or engine code). The hand controller logo freeze seems to crop up when using an FCC3 on an FCC based PowerFC. Such as using as first generation R33 PowerFC and using a newer generation R33 hand controller. The common "in the wild" example is using FCC3 (sticker on back of hand controller) on a RB25 PowerFC (sticker on side of unit). This will not work, as RB25 PowerFC labelled units expect FCC NT instead of FCC3 so it will freeze and fail boot up. Looking at the Apexi product chart for models we can see that the original run of Skyline R33 PowerFCS were known as RB25 on the unit itself. Its a little white sticker on the outside of the case. Newer generation R33 were known as ECR33 and this is present on the sticker also (in the same spot). So going from apexi's chart we can see that the original style RB25 PFC needs FCC NT. We can also see from this chart that FCC NT works on all of the first generation Nissan models. So if you can find an older style to suit any of the Nissan PowerFCs then this should work on RB25 PowerFC. Most suppliers dont stock the older versions cos they don't carry them anymore. Our main supplier Nengun.com has the following older style hand controllers 415-N001 Nissan Main Old Style 415-T001 Toyota Main Old Style 415-T003 Toyota Type B Old Style (not sure what this is for) 415-X001 Newer Style Hand Controller So if you have 3.x 4.x then you should aim for the older style to suit your Car. if you have the newer 5.x then you should go for the newer X001 unit. So for RB25 you should choose 415-N001 as 415-N001 is the first generation Nissan Hand Controller. If you have ECR33 you should choose 415-X001 as its the newer Nissan Hand Controller.

Don't be quoting me about not appreciating. The time and cost of spent getting my car bare metal resprayed, all the mods etc are unrecoverable. you want to buy it? $70K - it's yours. Bottom line - old technology, better cars now.

hah nice, thanks guys, will try the suggested suppliers. cheers

cheap and fast. i was just making the point to "Skyline Enthusiasts" that there are much better cars than what we own. open mindedness is not something we see here very much these days - and I've been around here for a long time...

pull your head in, i own a GTR Skylines are exactly as i have said: 1. old technology - any high performance car today uses a alloy block 2. crap efficiency - low comp ratio, poor flowing cylinder head design, high pumping losses... i could go on 3. poor emissions - the "halo" engine RBs killed off by not meeting Euro III

Hi there I need to send a car up to Sydney by road or rail - who has used a freight company, and what did it cost you? A few places won't do it because it is a private transport. Reliable? Looked after it? Many thanks

this thread is useless without pics.

Hi there It may be hearsay, but I am under the impression that only certain handsets can work with certain PFCs, between models, and even different versions of PFC eg R33GTSt PFC controller won't work with R33GTR controller... R33GTR controller version XX won't work with R33 GTR PFC version XY... Can anyone confirm this, and have a definitive list of which serials work with which PFCs? Many thanks

got the rocker cover set brand new in Melb. just moved house and have to find it, and what it cost me

GHEYEST TOPIC EVER honestly, my car is faster than yours and better than yours will remain a bar discussion, and only that, forever, with respect to any good performance cars. this is truly a useless discussion. Skylines are shit and old technology - farkin cast iron block, crappy efficiency, poor emissions.

like you don't have enough sets of front brakes!!

erm roy which way are they meant to run?? this is from the AP website edit - aha

It's an AP CP-5555 just with a different sticker arrangement to the standard ones you see. this is a 36mm caliper. It's a custom hat and bracket done here by a guy in Melb, running AP 36mm x 355mm rotors (they were farkin expensive)

djr81, done. that's me, the good lookin guy in the reflection lol

is there a question here?

mmm biot

sucks man. rear screen can be changed, panel damage is alot more to fix! what car is that?

my brand new switch is now doing this after 6 months. bastards.

unless you want to change the inclination of the subframe, you don't need the pineapples once the subframe bushes are done. mine have been done in the GTR and it adds a bit of NVH but much stiffer and controlled do it