thanks GTSBoy, I really just wanted to have a backup ecu. I bought this gts4 manual one from ebay, turns out it is no good. I see no signs of nistune in it at all. It can be nistuned but I'm not ready for that yet, I just want to ensure I have a backup ecu, and if I do get the nistune chip the ecu should at least be working, in this case it isn't.