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Some Siberian oil wells depleted in the 60's are back on again, the clue is 'hydrocarbons'. Oils aint fossil.

Nuffsaid wrote: You want white with a blue tinge, go with MTEC. Great visibility, pretty good quality. Definately better than the Philips/Narva crap out there. Unless MTEC bulbs bear an E mark, hence ADR compatibility with 51, I'd not touch them, if they do,- then fine.

I agree with Azzura, the Plus 50 variety, particularly for high-beam and driving light applications are the way to go. You will need to know your bulb type. http://www.narva.com.au/Globes_21.html

It would help if you could provide some idea as to the issue or issues your raising.

I am unsure as to the 'shape' of the antennae switch your refer, but I would suggest you might have luck with Narva Part 62058BL, this bears a Green LED, but no symbol, it is easiest to install, those below need some 'trimming' of a cars fascia. See this weblink: http://www.narva.com.au/Switches_10.html OR you could try Narva Part 62025BL, see top of that link, you fit the front fog symbol and the green lens to the switch; OR Perhaps better still - Narva Part: 63027BL This is a dedicated front fog light switch. See near the bottom of this link. http://www.narva.com.au/Switches_11.html Again, can you see any markings on the lens of the light?

You are looking for the front fog light ISO symbol. See Attachment. As modr33s2 states, it should in this case be a rotary knob bout halfway along the headlight stalk. Once activated (your headlights will also need be on either park, low or highbeam) you should, or might, see a green pilot light. UNLESS they were added by another owner and that owner removed the switch, (after-market) or not. If that is the case, add a relay and seek your own switch. Narva have specific fog light switches bearing the front fog light symbol. Does the fog lamp lens bear any markings?? "02B" is the code you need for front fog lights. If the code is HR, then these are 'driving lights'. (B = fog, R = driving light). It is my view that people should consider a rear-fog light as their 'primary' defence against rear-end collision during times of heavy rain, fog, snow, dust or bushfire smoke, before even bothering with front fog lights, which really are 'a luxury'. Fog_graphic.doc

Absolutely NOT American plates, these are ugly very short squashy widths. The plate is 'Euro', which in turn is ISO also used optionally by NSW, QLD, VIC and WA now. The plate as shown is not one of the AUS units and in anycase the vehicles are left hand drive.

And make em connect the rear fogs!

I'd suggest people you can forget the emphasis on 'advanced driver training', research shows this creates 'overconfidence' in some candidates, the potential for trouble. Our recent publicised crash driver has such training. December 15 2004 - will see in Canberra the inital meeting for 'strategy' leading to an eventual Commonwealth National Driver Training Scheme within 3 years. I suggest you will see the emphasis on DEFENSIVE driving. This will likely see additional on-road driver training. Those attending will be 'industry professionals', government agencies, Peter Brock and other such professionals drivers. This is advocated by the Hon Jim Lloyd, the Commonwealth Roads Minister. Jim is very serious about achieving this national goal, he has the support of many including the Deputy PM, also a driver enthausiast of note. (We should note that in dealing with the recent publicised NSW Central Coast crash, that Jim knows one of the families quite well, I'd suggest this be kept in mind). I suspect we will see a tightening up of ADR's and vehicular requirement. I'll remind the forum, that Australia is a nation of 'sovereign' States, therefore, what applies in say Victoria, may not apply in NSW or QLD and so on. This should be kept in mind. NSW residents will soon be able to purchase a new copy of this States driver manual, it replaced the Road Users Handbook, it *should* cost less. It contains much greater clarity and even offers advice on the placement of a 'single' hazard warning triangle, in line with what we teach in Europe to our learners. I suggest you all keep a close eye on developments over the next three years. It is our best ever chance yet of having 'proper' driver training. I'm going to suggest in closing, you ALL purchase a single hazard warning triangle, for use at crash scenes and breakdowns. Hella Part Number: 2901 (Approx $47) - is the Euro/International type which is what this Commonwealth government would rather you purchase, as part of Australia's ongoing UNECE harmonisation. BMW Spare Parts have these in a plastic box for around $32. NB - This MONDAY the 29th, should show where NSW is heading in relation to P Plates.

'Oh to Dream' - You can forget 'advanced driver training', research shows this can lead to 'over-confidence' in some individuals, it is more suited I'd suggest to specific career drivers:- racing, anti-terrorist drivers, emergency services, - that sort of person. What you will see in time (and I've said this elsewhere), and from the Commonwealth level - will be a 'National Driver Training Plan', applicable to the States and Territories with an emphasis I suggest on 'Defensive' driving. This will take 3 or so years to develop. The initial discussion take place this December in the ACT. Stay tuned to developments over the period. The curfew idea is virtually ruled out in NSW for now. Statistically, and for a myriad of other reasons it is just unworkable. NSW is not NZ nor are we a US State, where licensing is historically issued earlier in life. Indeed, NSW will not adopt road safety agenda from jurisdictions with worse per capita crash rates than our own. As I have done elsewhere, I'll quote this item from the NSW Parliamentary Staysafe Committee. Remember, it is up to *you*, the driver,- to at all times to behave and drive at a safe speed - within your 'license conditions' and having due regard to all prevailing circumstances, including those of the vehicle. This is a serious responsibility, don't ever stuff it up. Okay;- Note also the Statistics at the bottom. This text now appears online at NSW Parliament website. (Of 1 September 2004). Mr PAUL GIBSON (Blacktown) [5.05 p.m.]: Tonight, I speak on a topic regarding young drivers that is the subject of vigorous debate in my electorate, in the community and also in the media. There is a campaign in place saying that the State Government should create tougher measures to prevent P-plate drivers driving at night, carrying passengers or driving vehicles that are too powerful. The call for restrictions on young drivers relies on research evidence from the United States, Canada and New Zealand. Unfortunately, the call relies on rhetoric and emotion. The matter has not been subject to careful consideration based on a full appreciation of the facts. In jurisdictions that do have curfews, such as New Zealand and various states of America, people are able to obtain driving licences at a very young age: in New Zealand at 15 and in some parts of America at 14. To my knowledge, there is no country in the world that has a curfew applying to any driver over 16½ years of age. In New South Wales our licensing is directed towards the latter years of the teenage cycle, and people cannot drive on their own in New South Wales until they receive their first P-plate. To do that a person has to be 17 years of age. So our system is possibly better than that in New Zealand or in America to begin with. The experience in New Zealand has been reported fairly widely. Back in the mid-1980s New Zealand could have been thought of as a Third World nation as far as road safety was concerned. Even on last year's figures, just under 500 people died on New Zealand roads; in New South Wales the figure for the same period was 540. Our population is growing towards being three times larger than New Zealand, so any way one looks at the facts of the case, to compare us with New Zealand is really a total nonsense. In New South Wales we have had 40 years' experience of graduated licensing. We were the first in the world to bring in such a formal licensing system. In July 2000 the Staysafe committee recommended that New South Wales move to a new licensing system. It is now a four-year journey from the time drivers get their L-plates until they get a fully fledged licence. We had the first crop of fully fledged drivers in July 2003. It will be interesting to look at the statistics to see if there has been an improvement. Unfortunately, the Roads And Traffic Authority is three years behind in collecting the statistics so we will not have those figures for some time. Tonight I want to put to bed some of the myths about young drivers. Before I do so I wish to refer to three studies carried out in New Zealand as follows: The results from surveys of driving behaviour have consistently shown a willingness among young drivers to breach the conditions of [ the graduated driver licensing scheme ] (Begg & Stephenson, 2003) Over two-thirds of drivers report breaking at least one of the conditions on a restricted licence (passenger restrictions, night time curfew, or BAC greater than 0.03) (Begg, Langley, Reeder & Calmers, 1995) About one third (1/3) of young drivers report breaking the passenger restriction at least weekly. About one sixth (1/6) of young drivers report that they break the night time driving restriction at least weekly. (Frith & Perkins, 1992) One life lost on the road is one too many. We must aim for zero. However, the latest statistics from 2001 show that there were 258,561 licence holders in the 17-year to 20-year age group. Fortunately, there were not hundreds of young people killed; there were 30. I accept that it is 30 too many, but it represents 0.01 per cent of all licence holders in that age group. We must be sensible and look at the statistics. I accept that there are more young people killed as passengers in cars, but the drivers may have been 40, 45 or 50 years old. We must keep in perspective the fact that according to the latest Roads and Traffic Authority statistics, of the 258,561 licence holders aged 17 to 20 years the number of young people killed on our roads represents 0.01 per cent. Before we talk about curfews, we should properly examine the statistics and go from there. END Okay, NSW forum members might like to know that the NSW primary driver training manual, - the "Road Users Handbook" is nearing update completion (it might even hold a new title), I expect it out December 04 or early next year. It has undergone extensive re-working and reflects many Rule changes and has new commonsense advice. I expect a price reduction, and therefore suggest you might like to update your knowledge when it arrives. JP Mot Adv-NSW