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huh? that's exactly what I've been saying - the drivers' conduct under double yellows is the problem that needs to be fixed! And as I've already said, it's easy to fix - the frame work is already there. Make them run to the same deltas for that sector under yellows that they would otherwise have to if the SC were deployed. No riskier than deploying the SC which the totally risk averse are advocating, and it doesn't ruin the race, or make it likely that you'll run half the race under SC like the cotton wool brigade seem to want. You could even make it so they have a yellow flag speed limit button they have to engage in yellow sectors. Not hard to implement at all.

If you want no risk, you're looking at the wrong sport mate. The level of risk there was totally under the control of the driver himself. It's the Marshals I'm glad he didn't take out by ignoring the safety warnings.

It's not a fairly high chance of a driver getting it wrong. Even if there were no warnings the likelihood of a driver going off at that point in time and on that one particular part of the track are pretty low. With 3 seperate warnings, there should be no chance you'd get it wrong there unless you're taking an unacceptable risk yourself. If you want no risk of running into a tractor or marshals, you'd have to deploy the SC, wait several laps for all the cars to bunch up behind it, after making pit-stops or whatever, then let the marshals and tractor out. Then let all the lapped cars go past which takes another few laps. The last SC took about 15 minutes, and that wasn't waiting for everyone to bunch up. Avg non finishers these days is about 5 cars per race. Say just 3 of them need recovering, that's about 45minutes of the race under SC.

No the driver who pushed to the limit at the one point there was a hazard got it wrong. He was warned of the danger by double waved yellows, lights in the cockpit and presumably radio, but took no heed. That was the failure in the risk management of this situation. If the tractor deployment will take less than two minutes in total and drivers are warned of a significant danger at that point of the track by one or two previous flag points lights in your car and radio, there should be no excuse for losing control of your car at that point of the track.

risk management does not equal risk elimination!!! The only way to eliminate the risks in motorsport is not to conduct motorsport. The risk management did not fail - it's just that the low likelihood risk eventuated this time, mainly because the driver didn't take heed of the risk mitigation procedures in place. Instead he was pushing to the limit and beyond despite knowing there was an extremely dangerous situation at that very part of the circuit. setting a delta time for a sector presents exactly the same risk as deploying a Safety Car - cars run to deltas until they catch the SC up to several laps later. So if you consider that an unacceptable risk, then the only option is to red flag the race anytime a car needs to be recovered...

Surely start times are dictated by Bernie for the Euro TV audiences and the millions in advertising revenue, not the local promoter. It's about risk management. Its a temporary risk at one isolated point of the track with other mitigation factors employed to warn drivers of that temporary, isolated risk - radio and double waved yellows. Banchi hit the JCB less than 2min after Sutil crashed. Another 20 sec or so and the hazard would have been clear. No need to shut down the whole race track for 10-15 minutes for that. Just properly enforce the double waved yellow rules. The framework is already in plae - when a SC is deployed drivers have to lap to a delta time. Just make it a certain delta time for sectors in yellow. Simple.

Start time is a strange factor to involve in this. How could they have started earlier - it was pissing down rain and they never start wet races until the track's pretty much ready for inters. anyway, if Bianchi's crash had missed the JCB and got a Marshal, I think the questions being asked would be very different. Like how on earth does someone spear off under double waved yellows which often means there's marshals within the track confines? Surely he had been informed of the situation and location over the radio... And when you're under double yellows and required to go slow enough to take evasive action or technically even stop, how on earth was he going fast enough to aquaplane as people are suggesting happened? I haven't seen what caused the crash so I don't know where that info is coming from. As for the SC suggestions, I think it's an over-reaction. It takes laps for cars to catch the SC because they have to lap to a delta time under SC conditions. Then they have to let the lapped cars through which seems to take another few laps. You're talking 10-15min minimum for a SC. When Bianchi hit that JCB, it was 2min from the time Sutil had crashed. 20sec later and the track would have been clear again. You want to stop racing and end the race under SC for the sake of just over 2min to clear the obstacle? An obstacle that all drivers would have been informed of over radio and with double waved yellows indicating an extreme hazard for the very short time the hazard existed? You may as well conduct the whole race under SC just to make sure no-one gets hurt.

what constitutes slow would not be arguable if you enforced a speed limit in that sector as I mentioned in that previous post. Set a limit for yellows and double yellows. And if slower isn't safer, there's no point sending a SC out either - all it does is slow them down. Better stop the race to recover a car - you know, just to be safe. Motorsport is dangerous. Double waved yellows means extremely dangerous situation ahead in your already dangerous sport.

the simple fix is to enforce the existing rules. Double waved yellows mean there's a severe hazard ahead and you should slow down and be prepared to take evasive action or even stop! All they need to do is enforce a speed limit for sectors under yellow & double waved yellow. Problem solved. You don't want SC every time a car's in the fence.

Green flag there is 100% fine. It is after the accident/hazard indicating the hazard is over and the track ahead is clear.

Green flag there is 100% fine. It is after the accident/hazard indicating the hazard is over and the track ahead is clear.

hmmm, then a later tweet says dodgy. If it was a nomal substance used in normal servicing, why would you call it a foreign substance/contaminant? Funny how this normal substance used in normal pre-event servicing only found it's way into the electronics immediately as the cars rolled out for the race, not at the start of the event. f**k it, i had to listen to years of Webber conspiracy theorists!

I'm just going to leave this here: Last 2 races: Singapore 12 13 Pastor Maldonado Lotus-Renault 60 +66.9 secs 18 13 8 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 60 +68.0 secs 16 Italy 14 13 Pastor Maldonado Lotus-Renault 52 +1 Lap 16 15 99 Adrian Sutil Sauber-Ferrari 52 +1 Lap 14 16 8 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 52 +1 Lap 17 what's that saying? "you're only as good as your last race", or in this case two lol

obvious troll is obvious

The facts are all out. No point talking about opinions, let alone 'what ifs' about lost points - Mercedes's lost more certain points than anyone else this season!

either that or everyone else was right... which the court process proved anyway, remember... If they were really steaming pieces of shiza at the start of the season, RBR would have been able to prove that in court. Instead the full decision of the appeals court says: That was Red Bull's "proof" - doctored graphs and refusing to fully disclose the parameters used to esitmate fuel flow in their model! The meters were fine.

lol, hasn't that FFM issue faded away... Strange that nobody seems to have issues with it now that Renault have improved the engine's power...

how funny was it listening to Louise stress out towards the end. Your car is 3 sec a lap faster and you'll be coming out on brand new tyres compared to the others on dead tyres. It was never going to matter where you came back out after the pitstop ffs.

Stewards are a joke. AJ, I'm looking at you... Last race Magnussen gets pinged for running someone off the track ont he exit of a corner. Lst night a Lotus did the same thing to JEV and JEV got pinged for exceeded track limits. Get your shit together FIA. Any normal category has a single driving standards position for consistent decisions. Time the world's premier series did the same ffs. scrap that. They might be RBR favourite tracks, but they were no closer to the Mercs when they stopped fooling around. RBR can forget Suzuka too. They'll be fighting to be best of the rest.

lol Fernando is faster than you is still allowed.

I'll second that. I gained almost time and a whole bunch of "feel" changing from 9" to 10" wheels with 255 semis (which measured 270) on my old 180SX. They were pretty bulgy on the 9s and gave no feedback near the limit - very snappy. On 10s they were slightly stretched, heaps more progressive on the limit and faster at both QR and Lakeside.

interesting article on how it will affect them: http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/09/15/gain-lose-new-radio-rules/

Some of them kick in at Singapore, others like tyre and brakes take effect from Japan. Pretty dumb if you ask me. Implement strict 100kg fuel limts. Ban teams and drivers from talking about fuel during race. You can't tell your driver when to back off to save fuel, but you can tell him when to push and not save fuel. huh? No talk about ERS states and adjustments might mean people will retire due to problems with the system. Same goes for brake temp/wear but it's pretty easy to configure dash warning for that one and any driver seeing a rear brake temp/wear issue would know how to handle that. Not neccesarily so easy with ERS.

Classy work from the other driver just to walk away without even looking to see if Nick was OK. Can't believe he was able to clamber out and run after a shunt like that! Scary looking stack! and that's the most exciting thing that will ever happen in F.E. treaded tyres? FFS

Yeah some favourite RBR tracks coming up where they'll be as close to Mercedes as they're ever going to be. Singapore, Suzuka...