Big Rizza

I think we need to create 3 new stickys!!! 1) R32 Fuel Consumption 2) R33 Fuel Consumption 3) R34 Fuel Consumption As well as maybe Stagea Fuel Consumption etc. in their relevant areas if it is deedmed necessary. In each, every SAU member can post their average consumption (l/100km), range (km) and average cost to fill ($) at given price of petrol ($), as well as their model (GTS, GTST, GTR etc.), transmission (auto/manual) and power output (stock, 200rwhp, 300rwhp, 400rwhp etc). MODEL TRANSMISSION POWER (rwhp) RANGE (km) CONSUMPTION (l/100km) COST TO FILL ($@$) There are too many threads being started asking the same question! But as far as consumption goes, as a comparison I use about 2-3L/100km less fuel than my Dad's BF Ford Fairmont Ghia (6 spd auto) in my R32 GTS-T (manual, stock). I get about 10.5 to 12 litres/100km in normal driving vs. about 13-14 litres per 100km for the Falcon.

I dont reckon there was any real Honda bashing there. In fact, I said I would go the VTiR over the skyline a few posts back, and I respect a few Honda's out there for sure. The original comment got a reaction from me because of its speciffic wording: That comment seems a bit strong to me. To say that no Nissan can touch them is rediculous! In each key rivalry (Silvia vs Ingegra, S2000 vs 350Z, NSX vs GTR, etc), each car has its pro's and con's, and there is no quantifiable evidence of one car being better than the other. One might do something better than the other, but fall down in other areas. And in regards to my torque steering comment - it was obviously a joke.

If you want a turbo and buy NA based on fuel costs, YOU WILL REGRET IT!!! And cops that give skylines a hard time will do so regardless of whether or not they have forced induction!

Yeah, I know I wouldn't take my Skyline near something that at any minute could torque steer violently across 6 lanes of traffic and end up in someones living room...

Dunno about every one else, but I'm pretty sure an R34 GTR N1 or NUR could keep up with anything (on 4 wheels) honda can throw at them...

R33 Nissan Skyline GTS-4 Produced from 1993 (november) GENERAL Body type Coupe Drive FULL 4WD Transmission 5 speed floor shift with OD Displacement, cc 2498 Frame E-ENR33 Price of new car, thousands yen (Tokyo area) 3018 (~$25100) EXTERIOR Exterior dimensions (LxWxH), mm 4640 x 1720 x 1355 Interior dimensions (LxWxH), mm 1820 x 1415 x 1090 Wheel base, mm 2720 Treads (F/R), mm 1460 / 1470 Ground clearance, mm 145 Curb vehicle weight, kg 1430 Gross vehicle weight, kg Seating capacity, persons 5 Doors number 2 Min.turning radius, m 5.3 Fuel tank capacity, l 65 ENGINE Displacement, cc 2498 Engine model RB25DE Max.power (Net), kw(PS)/rpm 190 ps (139.75 kw) / 6400 rpm Max.torque(Net), N*m(kg*m)/rpm 23.5 kg*m (230.46 N*m) / 4800 rpm Power density 7.53 Engine type Serial 6 cylinder DOHC24 valve Engine information Fuel system NISSAN EGI (ECCS) (electronic gasoline injection) Turbocharger No Fuel type Unleaded premium gasoline LEV system (Low emission vehicle) No Compression ratio 10 Bore, mm 86 Stroke, mm 71.7 Final gear ratio Fuel consumption at 10-15 modes, l/100km 10.8 Fuel consumption at 60 km/h, l/100km CHASSIS / TRANSMISSION Power steering Yes Tires size, front 205/60R15 91h Tires size rear 205/60R15 91h Braking system, front Ventilated disk Braking system, rear Disk Suspension system, front Independent suspension multiple link type Suspension system, rear Independent suspension multiple link type EXTERIOR EQUIPMENT Sunroof / Moonroof (optional) Front fog lamp (optional) Rear wiper (optional) Rear spoiler ABS LSD Alloy wheel (optional) INTERIOR EQUIPMENT Air conditioner Full automatic Central locking Power window Steering wheel tilt Leather steering wheel Rear ELR3 point seat belt Side impact bar Airbag (Driver) (optional) Airbag (Passenger) (optional) Car navigation system (optional) COLOURS White Gang ray (PM) Option Black (super fine hard coat) White (super fine hard coat) Gang ray (PM) (super fine hard coat) Spark silver two-tone (M) (super fine hard coat) Super clear lead-lead (PM) (super fine hard coat) Dark blue two-tone (P) (super fine hard coat)

I would go the Civic VTiR over an R33 GTS4 auto NA (provided the Civic bodykit isn't too extreme). The weight of four wheel drive and automatic would dull the performance of the RB25DE considerably IMO - A manual Civic VTiR might actually even be faster in a straight line! (But if so, not by much...)

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/in...dpost&p=2137629

There you go - turbo is your answer.

Am I missing something?

GO THE 4DOOR

Unique turbo car to cart the mates around in? Something in the spirit of an STi? Well here's my out of the blue random suggestion of the day! How about something like an old Audi S2? Basically has the engine and drivetrain of the old Audi Quattro rally car, and mechanically identical to the much heavier Audi S4 of the same era. Look good when kitted up too. Less than 100 were imported into Australia. You get 6 speed manual; 2.2 litre 20 valve 5-cylinder turbocharged (2226 cc); BHP/kW230 hp/169 kW; Torque:253 lb-ft @ 1950 rpm; 0-100 kph:5.90 secs; Quattro 4WD system; Top speed:242 kph There's even one for sale on CarSales.com.au http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsales/...rch_distance=25

I'm not a huge fan of the Aston Martin V8 Vantage. I much prefer the DB9. (And this comes from my vast experience in Aston Martin ownership :S:P). I think the problem is I loved the old V8 Vantages so much, it was impossible to live up to my expectations! Aston Martin V8 Vantage Le Mans - 600hp and 2 tonnes! Now THAT'S an ASTON!!!

Do you mean converting your engine to run on the Miller Cycle, or are you putting in a Mazda Miller Cycle engine out of a Eunos 800M and turbo'ing it? Either way, it sounds like a waste of time to me. Mazda abandoned their Miller Cycle development, so it can't have been that spectacular in the first place. I could be wrong as I'm not a mechanic and have literally zero experience with the Miller Cycle, but surely the Miller Cycle engine would only work with a supercharger, as the off boost performance of a turbo would be absolutely horrendous and lag would be spectacular. Would work on boost, though... So I am lead to beleive. I have seen nat atmo engines with as high as 11.5:1 running the conventional Otto cycle on pump fuel and stock internals. Boost is kept to only 6psi, though. I think you may even find that the cost of converting to Miller Cycle when testing, dyno time, development etc. would outweigh the cost of rebuilding the engine with lower compression and stronger pistons. Like I said, I don't really have the experience with the Miller Cycle to give you a definitive answer, but I think you are wasting your time. On an aside, has anyone on this forum heard of a vehicle being changed to the Miller Cycle? I never have, am I just being oblivious?

Judging by how much pain and suffering I went through in deciding what car to buy when i got my R32 GTS-T sedan, it's pretty much impossible to guess what i will get next time. I don't even have a budget since I don't know how long before I will change out my R32! Some potential used car candidates that spring to mind (in a very rough estimate of least to most expensive): Toyota Aristo 3.0 twin turbo ($20k) Renaultsport Clio Cup 2.0 ($20k) JZX100 Toyota Chaser 2.5 turbo ($25k) BA Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo ($30k) V35 Nissan Skyline Sedan 3.5 ($35k) Subaru Forrester XT Luxury ($40k) E36 BMW M3 Coupe 3.0 ($45k) B5 Audi S4 2.7 twin turbo ($45k) Mazda RX-8 ($50k) Subaru Liberty 3.0R-B ($50k) Series 8 Mazda RX7 ($55k) E36 BMW M3 Coupe 3.2 ($60k) BF Ford F6 Typhoon ($70k) E39 BMW M5 5.0 ($90k) E46 BMW M3 3.2 ($100k)

Does it have to be an R33 GTS? With $15k, have you considered perhaps an R32 GTS-T and using the $4k-$5k you save for turbo insurance and maintenance? Turbo is where it's at!!! Carsales.com.au doesn't seem so good for WA for some reason - seems to have much more Eastern States support. I reckon an R33 GTS 5 speed might be tough to find in WA due to our unrestricted P plate legislation, so good luck!!! Also, have you considered importing yourself? I've seen WA importers such as http://www.prestigemotorsport.com.au/ advertising R33's for under $10k. I've also seen non-turbo tiptronic R34's for about your budget on Prestige too (like this or this), which you might consider (although they would be a little rough...). Could also try importing through http://www.j-spec.com.au/ and I think http://www.autoworx.com.au/ in Wangara offer importing services as well as being a dealership. ( You are in WA aren't you? Otherwise I just wasted your time...)

Maybe keep the turbo engine in the garage and drop in an RB30e until off P's? They can be picked up for a carton these days...

A 13.5 quater mile should be quicker than any LS1 powered holden, and probably match any LS1 powered HSV. The bigger problem is that people fork out $70,000 for a brand new Clubsport R8, and hence the CAPA bolt on blower for $4,000 drive away seems like chicken feed. And that little supercharger makes their dyno readouts a little more worrying: And they only get scarier from there! From http://www.capa.com.au/kits_holden_ls1.htm Good luck with your future LS1 hunting endevours, but try and keep it off the street! I know it's tempting sometimes... I had an FPV GT baiting me on the freeway tonight (in traffic mind you) and it's soooo hard to say no in that situation! (I'm proud of me )

Cheers for the response. So many suggestions!!! I think a straight RB25DET swap might be the easiest solution... I could even keep the RB20 turbo for an even quicker spool. Or maybe I should just drop in a blown 1UZFE? Or twin-charge the RB20? Or trade in for one of those single-turbo 1JZ chasers. They're ice Anyways, it's time for me to think, do some research, check the finances, discuss with my mechanic... and break the news to my g/f that I'm not taking her to dinner and instead using the money to modify my car Cheers all!

Wouldn't it be easier just to trade in for a factory non-turbo Skyline and have some extra cash? You could use it to pay the speeding fines the government are apparently stopping you from getting by banning turbos

Hence my adding of the following my comment

Hmmm... for some reason I hadn't considered the RB30et, and only thought of an RB30DET build. The RB30et would certainly satisfy all criteria I have laid down i.e. more torque with no loss of top end power. Cheers! But a commodore engine in a skyline?

Hey all, I've had my R32 GTS-T for a while now, and as a daily driver it's been left pretty much stock in the engine department (3 inch cat back and K&N pod is all). Don't get me wrong, I love the RB20, but for a car that very rarely sees above 4500 rpms in daily usage (commuting to work etc.), I'm starting to feel the pain of a lack of sub-3000rpm pull. What I want is more torque!!! I figure futher intake and exhaust mods will get the turbo spooling quicker, but I am not sure I will get the results I am looking for from an internally stock RB20DET. So I was thinking maybe high compression pisons (2.0 litres), a stroker kit (2.2 or 2.4 litres), an internally standard RB25DET swap or a high compression RB30DET build. I figure it could be done RELATIVELY cheaply seeming I am only after low RPM gains, rather than big top end gains. A peak of 200-220rwhp would be satisfactory (although any more would be nice ), but strong torque everywhere is what I really want!. I'm not trying to tow a combine harvester, and I'm not chasing Corvette LS7 engine levels of stump pulling sub-3000rpm grunt. Something closer to a healthy manual ECOTEC VT Commo or similar at sub-3000rpms (no flaming for that comment!). Only kicking around some ideas at the moment, and was wondering if anyone had some suggestions or input. Or critisism. Or pwnage. Or whatever. I just want torque without going overkill on the engine build! And no suggesting a 3.8L ECOTEC conversion. My ECOTEC ute driving brother has already suggested that.

You have to look at how much fuel you put in rather than the range. I get about 350km from my R32 before the fuel gauge reads empty, but at that point it only takes less than 40 litres to fill the 60 litre tank, so there was still plenty of range left. I usually get less than 12 litres / 100km from my RB20DET, down into low 10's if I take it easy.

Just pulled this straight off http://english.auto.vl.ru/ 1988 Nissan Silvia Q Displacement, cc 1809 Engine model CA18DE Max.power (Net), kw(PS)/rpm 135 ps (99.29 kw) / 6400 rpm Max.torque(Net), N*m(kg*m)/rpm 16.2 kg*m (158.87 N*m) / 5200 rpm Power density 8.07 Engine type Water cooling serial 4 cylinder DOHC16 valve Engine information Fuel system NISSAN EGI (ECCS) (electronic gasoline injection) Turbocharger No Fuel type Unleaded regular gasoline LEV system (Low emission vehicle) No Compression ratio 9.5 Bore, mm 83 Stroke, mm 83.6 Final gear ratio Fuel consumption at 10-15 modes, l/100km 8.6 Fuel consumption at 60 km/h, l/100km Fuel tank capacity, l 60 1991 Nissan Silvia Q Displacement, cc 1998 Engine model SR20DE Max.power (Net), kw(PS)/rpm 140 ps (102.97 kw) / 6400 rpm Max.torque(Net), N*m(kg*m)/rpm 18.2 kg*m (178.48 N*m) / 4800 rpm Power density 7.93 Engine type Water cooling serial 4 cylinder DOHC16 valve Engine information Fuel system NISSAN EGI (ECCS) (electronic gasoline injection) Turbocharger No Fuel type Unleaded regular gasoline LEV system (Low emission vehicle) No Compression ratio 9.5 Bore, mm 86 Stroke, mm 86 Final gear ratio Fuel consumption at 10-15 modes, l/100km 8.7 Fuel consumption at 60 km/h, l/100km 5.4 Fuel tank capacity, l 60 1989 Nissan Skyline GTS Displacement, cc 1998 Engine model RB20DE Max.power (Net), kw(PS)/rpm 155 ps (114.00 kw) / 6400 rpm Max.torque(Net), N*m(kg*m)/rpm 18.8 kg*m (184.37 N*m) / 5200 rpm Power density 7.81 Engine type Water cooling serial 6 cylinder DOHC24 valve Engine information Fuel system NISSAN EGI (ECCS) (electronic gasoline injection) Turbocharger No Fuel type Unleaded premium gasoline LEV system (Low emission vehicle) No Compression ratio 10.2 Bore, mm 78 Stroke, mm 69.7 Final gear ratio Fuel consumption at 10-15 modes, l/100km 9.8 Fuel consumption at 60 km/h, l/100km Fuel tank capacity, l 60 1993 Nissan Skyline GTS25 Displacement, cc 2498 Engine model RB25DE Max.power (Net), kw(PS)/rpm 190 ps (139.75 kw) / 6400 rpm Max.torque(Net), N*m(kg*m)/rpm 23.5 kg*m (230.46 N*m) / 4800 rpm Power density 6.89 Engine type Serial 6 cylinder DOHC24 valve Engine information Fuel system NISSAN EGI (ECCS) (electronic gasoline injection) Turbocharger No Fuel type Unleaded premium gasoline LEV system (Low emission vehicle) No Compression ratio 10 Bore, mm 86 Stroke, mm 71.7 Final gear ratio Fuel consumption at 10-15 modes, l/100km 9.6 Fuel consumption at 60 km/h, l/100km Fuel tank capacity, l 65