i went to Europe in our winter of 2003 (their summer) and the sun sets at about 10 10:30 ish
it was the best thing ever, we could still piss fart around after dinner, and we went to bed at around 10 - 10:30 when the sun was setting, and we didnt have any problems with sleeping while still light
im all for daylight savings, economically, it is the best thing that can happen to WA
the funny thing is that everybody says that "oh, im all for something that adds an hour to the end of the day" but the thing is that the hours of daylight are the same, its just that an hour is taken off at the beginning of the day