Yes, many thanks to David, I know he didn't appreciate the Bride, bit too big for it in his older years Not really a "fat man's" seat. Funny story, Weezy will appreciate this. I dropped my car off to Sinergy, gave my keys to Rocco, who may I add is a top bloke. He took the keys and it was closing time so came out and said well I might as well move it. He then saw the seat and said "on second thought's, maybe you ought to do it"