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Hey Guys, I have a 0.96 open rear housing that I want to swap with a with 0.7 0.84 1.00 split if you have one. I'll also buy your housing if you have one for sale at a good price. Let me know via PM

Should have taken it all the way, like everyone was telling you here, instead of being a pussy and typing out some heartfelt story like they gave a damn. You broke the law, pleaded guilty - you can't expect them to be lenient given the circumstances. If you fought it, then there would have been the burden of proof hurdle to overcome, which could have been inconclusive given that there are two cars, and the holden is the leading car in the photo (maybe the winnah in the 'race'?) People only get off fines for technicalities these days. Sob stories and crying poor me does not cut it any more people. FYI, In Vic, if a company owns the Vehicle, then it is possible to not nominate a driver and pay ~$700 with no points deducted.

Engine Vids with knock sound on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Due7mkTHMlw&feature=related Kabbom:

Check the knock sensor loom for any splits / continuity and so forth and make sure that it is getting a proper signal from the knock sensor.

Thanks for the invite I'll have to drop in some time and book in a power run once I've tuned it a bit better in the top end and see if she will crack 400 rwkw on pump gas on your dynapak setup. I've got the 2 step working via a clutch switch so I'm looking at running it at calder feb 5th on low boost (17psi) and getting a benchmark and maybe doing some more tuning track side and see if I can take it to 20psi in the final runs once I get the start/launch right. Hoping for 10s when it is sorted and a kick off the track ad I don't want to cage it as it is a street car

Hey Guys, I'm after a Vipec V88 at a reasonable price if you have one new/used. Reply or send me a PM Cheers!

Yep in the process, just checking to see what is available second hand or new as a resell first

How did it go?

Hey Guys, I'm after a Vipec V88 at a reasonable price if you have one new/used. Reply or send me a PM Cheers!

Hmm the kmon software doesn't show a trace or recording of what is happening - It could be a driver issue or my laptop. Yep the engine hook mount on the head would be possible on the exhaust side, still less than ideal but certainly better than nothing. I can certainly say that without a proper knock detection setup, you are tuning pretty blind, especially once that atmo gate opens - so hard to hear anything at times! Thanks for the tips, I'll be doing another session soon to tune for 400rwkw at around 23psi on pump.

If you know your way around a dyno, Sam (Dr Drift) may hire it out if he likes you enough Quite reasonable rates as well and in 1hr of dyno time, you should be able to touch up the whole map and do a power run. Shite, you can even preserve your license, minimize car sickness and do it right with no chance of an accident on the dyno. Gizzmo Kmon, Knock Box etc, is ESSENTIAL to tune knock properly if you're just starting out. You can pick up knock quicker with one of these devices than by a normal human ear, simply because you can filter out all of the noises such as open wastegate, valvetrain, etc. Good book on general dyno/engine tuning, including tuning ignition for MBT: http://www.fishpond.com.au/Books/Nonfiction/Transport/Automotive/General/9781934709740/?cf=3&rid=224650787&i=1&keywords=dyno+tuning Google Tuning for MBT as well for a quick primer. You need a dyno and a knock sensing device to tune MBT properly.

Toyota Soarer Twin Turbo 6, Between 3-5k on road. 10k for a manual with mods. Best import you can get for under 10k. Bit on the luxo/heavy side compared to skylines, but they are great ride and tune up well.

I borrowed a friends Gizzmo K-Mon and used it as a single channel for some tuning. I am blown away as to how easy it is to tune ignition with a proper knock headphones setup! I used one knock sensor and setup filtered left and non filtered right in my headphones and I picked up on a few points of knock. Interesting note was that a well known tuner was able to pick up on the same knock, by ear, nearly at the same time as the knock sensor went off. I find the K-Mon software to be a bit of BS in terms of recording / monitoring, but the headphones listening is absolutely vital. I mounted the sensor on the engine mount, on the block, which is less than ideal, but I was still able to pick up knock. I will move the sensor closer to the head once I find out where to put it lol. The 1JZ doesn't have any bolt blanks on the inlet side where I can tap into. I may try the inlet manifold with a bracket and see how it goes. Interesting note is that when you hit limiter or a boost cut, the knock sensor crackles/goes off too.

Hey Trent, I have sent you a PM regarding the purchase of a gizmo kmon. Please Check.

Thanks Trent. I think the Gizzmo will do me just fine and I should be able to have an ignition to knock compensation table dialed in the Motec. Any tips / information regarding the mounting and location of the knock sensor? I know the JZ and RBs have threaded locations that you can use to tap in the factory and aftermarket but these are typically buried under the inlet manifold and are a real pain to get to!

Just doing a quick comparison, the knock box is a pure listening device only, whereas the Kmon allows the information to be transferred onto PC via USB as well as 0-4.5V analogue outputs that you can connect to your ECU and perhaps make a knock compensation map. Trent, as a listening device, which one is better or are they pretty much the same? Interestingly enough, the knock sound sounds like audio clipping and is very distinct when you get knock. Gizzmo Kmon: Features include: 2 Independent Audio Output Channels 2 independent Knock Input Channels Each knock channel has configurable Sensitivity Centre frequency Bandpass width Real-time Audio / Visual monitoring for each channel Configurable Knock Warning levels for each channel Real-time replay of data-logs for each channel Left and Right headphones can be dedicated to separate knock channels Pre and Post Audio filtering for each independent knock channel High Speed USB2 interfacing Plug & Play, no external power supply needed Comes with: 1 * Kmon Module 1 * Knock Sensor 1 * Knock Sensor Loom 1 * Headphones 1 * Software CD 1 * USB2 Cable 0V to 4.5V analogue outputs per channel for analogous recording for external hardware e.g. analogue inputs for ECU's, Dyno's etc Can be upgraded to 2x Knock Sensors for an extra $150 or so. Cost: Around $800 from eBay USA. Knock box: Two x 3 wire knock sensors with 20cm lead and 3 pin AMP style connector. Dual 3 wire knock sensor lead with shield for connection to knock sensors. Dual sensor sensitivity adjustment for fine tuning of the knock sensors. Stereo listening through professional industrial quality headset. Dual overall volume control on headset. Selectable switch for 1 sensor use, converts to mono listening through headset. Cigarette power supply lead. Battery power supply lead with alligator clips for attachment to battery. Spares kit inc spare knock sensor, and assorted terminals for loom repairs. Extruded alloy case with laser engraving. Life time warranty on Knock Unit. 12 months conditional warranty on all other components. Cost: Around $1000

Great Read So which one do you recommend if you had the option to buy just one? Kmon or Knock Box?

Different thread sizes for the tie rods. R32 will not fit R34.

Update: it is probably one of these processors from Motorolla on both the M800 and V88. MPC535: 32-bit Power Architecture Microcontrollers or MPC565 or MPC566 MPC565 can run at 40 and 56 mhz - if you change the crystal you can 'overclock' your processor by upping the FSB. MPC566 can run at 40, 56 and 66mhz. MPC535 MPC566 The advanced Power Architecture™ MPC535 32-bit embedded microcontroller from Freescale is an excellent choice for complex, cost-sensitive industrial applications that operate in a wide range of climates and environments. Ideal applications include building control / security, service processors and commercial POS (point-of-sale) systems. With a highly integrated set of peripherals including 1 MB Flash memory, a 40MHz Power Architecture core and Floating Point Unit, you can speed products to market at a cost effective price point. The MPC535 is backed by the exceptional performance record of the Freescale Semiconductor* MPC500 family of 32-bit embedded controllers. You do not have to compromise performance or dependability. PROTECT YOUR TECHNOLOGY INVESTMENTS: With the MPC535, as with other members of the Freescale MPC500 family, you have a clear migration path between products and from previous generations. As needs change, you can easily modify or upgrade products cost effectively, and with minimal development impact. The MPC535 also leverages a wide range of development tools and support software already available for this computing platform , thereby helping to minimize development time. Freescale also offers a multi-output power supply device, the MC33394, which provides the voltage levels and sequencing necessary to allow plug and play use of the MPC500 family. Refer to the Related Links section of this product summary page to view information on the MC33394. *The Semiconductor Products Sector of Motorola, Inc. became Freescale Semiconductor, Inc., in 2004. Features 1M byte of internal FLASH memory (divided into two blocks of 512K bytes) 32-Kbyte static RAM (CALRAM) A 22-timer channel modular I/O system (MIOS14) One TouCAN modules One enhanced queued analog system with analog multiplexors (AMUX) for 20 total analog channels. These modules are configured so each module can access all 20 of the analog inputs to the part. One queued serial multi-channel modules, which contains a queued serial peripheral interface (QSPI) and two serial controller interfaces (SCI/UART) A J1850 (DLCMD2) communications module A NEXUS debug port (class 3) – IEEE-ISTO 5001-1999 JTAG and background debug mode (BDM) 512k logging processor (related to the above) Processor: Freescale (Motorola) MPC555 running at 40 mhz Programming Language: Integer assembly, custom TPU microcode for fuel and spark control Injector Drivers: Eight saturated drivers, with thermal and overcurrent protection Injection Type: Full Sequential, with timing lookup by rpm and fuel pulse width Injection pulse width resolution: 32 bits, 2us per count, using indexed table lookup with upto 65535 rows and columns Ignition: Single channel distributer system with dwell control Ignition timing resolution: 16 bits, .005 degree crankshaft, using indexed table lookup with upto 65535 rows and columns Crankshaft speed resolution: 45 or 90 degree timing reference; 32 bits, 2us per count Other Drivers: Four, rated 12 amp each, with thermal and overcurrent protection Sensors: Standard GM for MAP, TPS, CTS and MAT. Also battery voltage and camshaft hall Idle Control: Bosch/Ford single wire PWM at 150 htz, full PID control with cold table warmup Closed Loop Fuel: Narrow band O2 sensor, full PID control from idle to 5000 rpm. Total program loop execute time: at 700 rpm; 20us, over 3000 rpm; 10us (from flash) Datalogging: All sensors read every 90 degrees crankshaft and sent out SCI, data rate maintained through 12000 rpm. Interesting homebrew ECU Project using the above processors http://users.ameritech.net/socrace/Firmware.html

Adriano, I was looking at getting an Autronic back in 2004-ish for the VL Turbo instead of the Motec and the hardware was OK, but you needed to run a different CAS sensor disc for the autronic. The software interface sucked at first glance. The motec MS-DOS software 1.6 was much more thought out and logical to setup. Autronic was the cheaper contender to the Motec back in the day, but I was not really impressed by it, so I didn't buy one. I've downloaded the new software now, its an improvement, but Autronic doesn't really do it for me. Motec M800 Specs ( from memory) Motorola 40mhz 32-bit processor. The V88 may have chosen the same processor as the Motec. I do not think the motec m800 runs a dual processor - first I have heard of it. V88 Specs: 40 MHz Specialised Automotive Microprocessor. Ignition control to 0.1 degree, fuel to 0.01 ms - 32 Bit Calculation - 10 Bit ADC Resolution Max 20000 RPM I would go as far as saying that the V88 is heavily based on the M800 from the paper specs, however it is the ECU software/firmware development, voltage /current drivers and that really differentiates between aftermarket ECUs of similar hardware. The goal of the ECU is to input analogue sensor information, modify into digital information, calculate based on the data and algorithms and resend an analogue signal back to the controlling device and repeat the cycle over and over again. Therefore, how the ECU controls the voltage to the outputs and accepts the voltage from the sensors is of paramount importance, which is probably why the Motecs have been regarded as one of the most tuneable ECUs out there.

What have you guys paid for your V88 and what did it come with?

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Thanks for the reply guys. Bit of flames going around, but its all a healthy debate. Motec is a great ECU, no dobut, and I'm not selling it - but its a premium option amongst today's current up and coming ECUs. Basically I am trying to justify my thinking around using a v88 instead of an m800, to take advantage of the options and learn a new ECU for fun. It sounds like the Vipec is the mid-range ECU of choice, with all the high end features of the motec options included in the cost - a big win. Just to clarify a few points: My lambda control on the Motec using a PLX Lambda meter and gauge does not work right as an input to the ECU. I get a lot of interference, probably from the CDI in the race car and it craps out entirely. I am having troubles with 3.5 software, that has custom input calibration, so I am running 2.x software which gets it running sweet and perfect. Upgrade to 3.5+ gives me a lot of over fueling under load and idle. talking 11+ AFRs at all times, even with the o2 sensor and lambda table. Basically I need to re-do the whole map from scratch to run 3.5+ but it runs perfect on 2.x software so I leave it at that and deal with the poor fuel consumption due to having no Motec Lambda. (no custom sensors on 2.x software). M800 will not be sold, but I will be upgrading to Adv functions, anti lag and launch control once the GTX4202 comes in. Cost Breakdown - Motec M800 Loom + Sensors (Estimated) - $700 - Motec CDI Loom - $100 or so - Motec Features advanced functions + anti-lag and launch control - $600 Cost: $1400. Vipec V88 - ~$2500 or less with everything + all options and I can port the CDI over and I have a new ECU that runs without having to dick around with it or buy options for. $1000 is cheap for this convenience, and it seems to be a good tuning ECU from the reports on the forum. Godzilla - Running a Motec is like that. You keep on paying and paying because you paid so much on the setup - you might as well pay that extra 1-2-5k to get it right since your outlay has been huge. I would love to buy the ADL + Pro Analysis + expanders, but f**k... its so expensive! I know what I'm doing sounds a bit backwards, but when you have a motec and you want/need these features... and you paid so much for the ECU - it feels like you are getting raped out of your money for a stupid hexadecimal access code that is emailed to you. Options that I will use Logging Anti-Lag Launch Control Lambda Knock Control All of these are factory on a v88 and costs $2,000+ on a Motec for the OPTIONS. Motec is a great ECU - nothing being taken away from how good it is. I want to know HOW good the Vipec v88 is. For ~$2500 you get a lot of ECU for such little money. Does the V88 have a Plug and Play 1JZ Loom? I know they have a 2JZ one.

JJJ: engine is a 1.5JZ, PFC for a 1JZ is around 1500 or so - not worth it for such a limited ECU that is limited to a hand controller. FC datalogit software will bring it up close to the cost of a V88. Looking at making around 350rwkw with a T04Z and HKS 264/272 cams and I'll borrow the 800cc injectors while I upgrade the fuel system on the race car for E85. Walk510: Yes the factory motec datalogging software is great, but if you want to overlay graphs etc - you need pro, more $$$. Sounds like the V88 is a winner for a race/daily setup. I love the Motec, but it does come at a high premium with marginal added value compared to today's ECUs tune and standard features. Fantastic back in 2001, but its 2010 now and there has been a lot of inroads into ECU tech to try and beat Motec at their own game. Motec themselves are working on ECU's to tune direct injection and so forth - the next generation of engines. Currently waiting for quotes on a flying loom and so forth to see how much it would cost to re-wire the CDI and Motec instead of getting a new ECU, however I believe that this exercise could cos as much as a v88 in itself given today's prices. On another note - what is the v88 knock sensor option like? How does it compare to the Gizmo k-mon?

I have considered Autronic, but it is too archaic for my liking and the software sucks. The newer haltech platinum did cross my mind as well. Software looks fancy, however not sure on the tune/functionality - anyone got feedback on the newer haltech?