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... like i said, this thread is over The only reason i even replied this time is because i still had the page open because i got distracted XD

.... I'm not even going to bother with the ****ing morons in these forums anymore -.- I NEVER SAID IT WAS A STOCK 308 PULLING 8s FOOL! God damn, i've never met anyone so retarded -.- Goodbye all

like i said guys, i'll prove you wrong, when i prove you wrong. Until then, back to the original subject please. I've gone as far as i'm willing to with the side-conversations so i'm stating now that this will be my last post on these forums if you can't keep your opinions to yourselves. I asked a simple question and i want a simple answer. Thank you =]

Well mulkers, i suggest you have a look at back issues of Street Machine if you beleive so, you don't get any more reliable I also suggest you actually learn what you are talking about, because if you have a look in the places where people can afford to spend *REAL* money on their cars like america, you'll realise that any medium to large V8 will *easily* do under an 8s. PHATGTR; I think you'll find that *your* wrong. Holden have continually spent money on research and have obviously found nothing better than the 308 engine, considering the only time a new engine was even considered for holdens was when General Motors took control of the company and started putting the LS1 and LS7 GenIII 3.7l V8's into the newly produced machines. Where as Nissan have done nothing except make stuff up after stuff up with engines, forgoing the "reliable" RB2x''s. As lwells said "Not much will break more often than an R32 GT-R"... please show me a commodore or any holden less than 10 years old that breaks as much as a brand new GT-R? Wrxhoon, where do i start? Look at the GTS label on that HJ and you'll realise that it's a race designed car. It's *supposed* to be lighter than a HQ family-oriented car. I think i've said enough on this point, moving on now... Slowdude; The germans aren't renowned for having the "best" manufactoring, thy're known for having the most *precise* manufactoring. And that's because the absolute error margin for a mercedes benze for example, is .001mm, where as in australia, and japan, you'd be lucky to see a .01mm absolute error. Simply put; get your facts straight. Even the worlds dodgiest designs will work if they are put together properly... i think the original beetle proved that point. Dee 33, read the thread. I didn't say a 308 with 10k mods was pulling 8's... someonestolecc; strange how all of that took place after GM took control of holden, isn't it? Not to mention that none of those statements directly relate to engine development. Now lastly people, if i haven't put your noses too far out of joint, can ytou get back to the topic please? The original topic? Thank you

Yes riggaP (almost typed niggaP there O.O my bad) the 10k has been spent on the entire low + top ends of the engine + running system. IIRC he's got racing spec belts, a spiralmax intake manifold mod, extracters, new exhaust, widened valves and i'm probably missing something, but that's generally the type of work he's done. Very small modifications that can easily be done by himself when he's got the time at home. The shift kit + highstall mods were put in during one day he had off, not sure of the price / time it took to put in, but he says all up he's spent 10k on the engine and 20k on the body (and yes the body looks nice ). And the last word i have in the matter about which is better, skylines or holdens, i think i'll just point out that your car has a turbo, does it not? does your brothers tho? Try racing him in an area where you can both reach max speed, and also check to make sure he's got good gear / diff ratios for drags, if that's how your comparing cars. and Lang, when i get back to perth i'll ask my ex-boss about this HQ, as i'm in syd atm and i don't have anyway to contact him (long story short i don't want to ring interstate for the sake of a small internet discussion, and that's my only option). And the man that owns this HQ is somehow related to my ex-boss, so he got the parts bought + installed cheap. Obviously this doesn't mirror normal expenses + costs to get high end RWHP, but that's the sort of thing i need to ask the guy that owns the HQ as well, is the retail prices. Lastly @ slowdude, i've seen an article on a 755HP 253 4.2l baby v8 NA. Not turboed... so if you think holden engines can't be about refinement, and good manufactoring or quality etc i think your barking up the wrong tree. I think you'll find that australian and american car companies put alot more money into engine research than the japanese ever will.

This is the mis-conception my friends. This HQ is not only street legal, but i can also assure you that it's definately a 308, and that a HQ's stock curbweight is 1800kg. If you don't beleive me, then that's your option. However i must point out that i'm not a holden "fan boy" just because they are australian and look good. There is valid reasons behind it. However little i know about the car other than the above statements, i can tell you for a fact that my ex-boss's car, an ex-pursiut VP with a 308 and about 10k spent on the engine, already does 11's. He hasn't done any major mods to it yet, about the most serious thing he has done is to put a better exhaust system on it and a 2.5 highstall + shift kit.

Hey all, I'm new to the forums, linked here by a mate who was trying to prove that there are skylines that'll do under 8s. The reason why, is i told him i know of a certain HQ that also does under 8s. Now for you un-enlightened in the Holden area of car ownership, a HQ is a very early tank-like model of kingswood, and you can definately expect them to weigh more than a skyline, or even the latest commodore. They weight 1800 KG and for all their weight and the fact that it's using a decades old 308 engine, i wanted to know how that compares to this day + ages brand new technology. Now that i know that some skylines are in fact done up to be 8s or better cars, the thing i want to know about now, is cost. The reason why, is that my beleif has always been that holdens will get the same performance, for a lower price when compared to a jap car. Not that i don't like jap cars, to be perfectly honest the 300zx fairlady z is one of my favourites... more because of the attraction than the performance lol. However, i am a proud australian, and i'm sick of hearing jap car lovers bag the crap out of my beloved holdens, which i know can already can quite easily keep up with most modded cars out these days. So can you all do me a big favour, especially enthusiasts like FORCEFED RB26DETT, and post a little information please? I don't need specs, just a rough price range, and what speeds you pull down the 1/4 would be great thx