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Sure is In other news, oil cooler is mounted. It's a little big. Don't get me wrong, I still hate this stupid car.
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Which should I go with GTX2863, 2530, or 2860-5
Dose Pipe Sutututu replied to Trailmix's topic in Engines & Forced Induction
Good luck, looks as much of a fail as trying to fit 1/2 height injectors with 3/4 height extensions to a R34 NEO intake manifold. -
Serious note, if anyone wants to take my car/motor/tools/spares the lot.. I will trade for a BMW 335i F30 or E90 (must have N55 motor) in auto. Over it. BMW must have less than 70 000 km/h
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Might slap on the R33 RB25 intake manifold onto the motor OR hope someone knocks on my door takes the car/motor/spare parts and gives me a stock 335i F30 BMW.
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My injector woes in a thread: Long story short - don't try and fit 1/2 height injectors to a RB25 NEO intake manifold. Even though they're at the right height using extenders blah blah blah they don't fit. All resellers will tell you they fit, they don't. They are wrong, I am right.
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Bad news - after a few e-mails back and forth with Injector Online they too agree that what they have listed is incorrect and they are removing it soon. TL;DR Do no try and fit 1/2 Height Injectors to a R34 GT-t NEO Intake Manifold, they WILL NOT WORK! There are plenty of INCORRECT listings all over the web.
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Okay so besides the fact I can't seem to get ever so popular 1/2 height with extension injectors on, I decided to bend some left over strips of aluminium to fit my obsessively large 25 row Setrab oil cooler than cost as much as my kidney. Will redo the brackets again once I'm happy with fitment. (Yes that's a bit of cable ties on the rear end lol)
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Unfortunately you can't get high capacity unmodified injectors in 3/4 height. If you look closely at those tips of the Xspurt 3/4 height they have been milled off. I've spent decent coin on these unmodified Bosch 1550cc injectors and I do want to run them. I'm still super curious how people with ID1050/1300/1700X injectors are getting them to fit on NEO motors and also how people with the Bosch 2000/2200 CNG injectors got them to fit. There seems to be zero guides or images for these setups. My very last options are to either go back to a R33 intake manifold (gay) or buy a Hypertune (over priced) or equivalent plenum such as Otaku Garage/Madcat (China dim sim sui mai spec).
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These are my photos, which shows an identical injector setup as per Injector Online. So you can see that the connector hits the intake manifold, and yes it's possible to turn some of them to allow the injector to be seated in however that means some injectors won't be perpendicular to the manifold (big no no). To make things more fun you also won't be able to get the connectors on lol. The best and probably only option I have is some form of 14mm to 14mm (male to female) injector seat as such. I've simulated this using the 1/2 to full length extension (hole is too small I know haha)
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Some digging around it seems guys with BRZ/86 FA20DI N/A motors actually have the same issue but ID have come up with a solution for them. I am pretty sure it won't fit inside the RB25 NEO intake manifold
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Funny you said that, I was tempted to grind a bit off the injector connectors so they can clear the top area of the intake manifold. I more curious to hear/see how guys with NEO motors fit those old 2000/2200 gaysex injectors back in the days as they're all 1/2 height also and 100% would have the same issues.
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Image Credits: Injector Online (www.injectorsonline.com) - go buy shit from them, good prices and fast delivery! So yeah - I'm actually stuck and need everyone's thoughts and opinions! Long story short, I know RB25DET NEO plenums like to take 3/4 height top feed injectors, which are approximately 52~55cm o-ring to o-ring in distance. Most will just get a set of 1000cc Bosch injectors OR modified Bosch 1250cc injectors that are of that length. I wanted more fuel supply, so opted for the non-modified Bosch 1550cc (1650cc often advertised) injectors. These injectors are 1/2 height, and are approximately 40mm o-ring to o-ring in distance, with the correct extension you can make these the same height as your typical 3/4 height Bosch 1000cc or XSpurt 1000cc injector. Below is the same injector now with the extension, giving you that 3/4 height. Theoretically they now should just bolt up and off you go right? Many sites from various countries tend to advertise 1/2 height injectors with extensions (making them 3/4 height injectors) as direct fit - however here's the fun part, you actually can't even get the injector to go all the way into the injector seat on the RB25DET NEO intake manifold. They simply just don't work! Problem is, as they are so short before the hard plastic that keeps the o-ring captive doesn't even touch the injector seating area of the intake manifold because the injector plug ends up touching the intake manifold. Being the person that at times thinks outside the box, I went on and installed a bunch of 14mmx5.5mm injector buffers from a GT-R thinking that would solve the problem. Well - it kind of did, now there's a bit of space and the injectors are somewhat sealing well... but yes, now the connectors won't even go on! because there's simply not enough room. So I am really intrigued how these different suppliers are all listing these injectors as direct fit - when clearly they won't? (noting all the injectors are 1/2 height with either full height or 3/4 height extensions) https://www.injectorsonline.com/au/1500cc-xspurt-injectors-x-6-neo.html https://www.golebysparts.com.au/parts/view/2053/58/nissan-rb20-25-26/fuel-rails-and-fuel-rail-injector-kits/rb25-r34-neo-plazmaman-fuel-rail-kit-2000cc-injectors https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Nissan-1300cc-Fuel-injectors-RB25DET-NEO-R34-Skyline-Stagea-C34-Plug-Play/182639648111?epid=6004139375&hash=item2a862bdd6f:g:S~QAAOSw4DJYlreh https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Bosch-2200cc-Flow-Matched-Injector-Set-For-Nissan-Skyline-R33-I6-RB25-Neo/222702641007?hash=item33da1c9f6f:g:u9wAAOSw0exZ-oq3 So the question, how did you guys with 2000/2200cc Bosch CNG or ID1050/1300/1700 injectors get them on? considering they are all 1/2 height and all require to be extended? I would assume all the plugs would hit the same region and would disrupt how the injector would be seated. And FWIW, I'm using a Plazmaman rail (still, doesn't affect how the connects sit and/or hit the intake). (yes I even changed extenders so they're identical to the Xspurt kit, I sourced my injectors elsewhere though) Also you can't really rotate the plugs upwards because the injectors no longer will seal properly. My ultimate last option is to go install a R33 intake manifold on my R34 NEO motor (which I don't want to do). Thanks all!
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R33 misfiring trying to hit boost
Dose Pipe Sutututu replied to AndreW_R32's topic in Engines & Forced Induction
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Turbo and cam suggestions RB25 neo
Dose Pipe Sutututu replied to sergi_dee's topic in Engines & Forced Induction
Nah, look at @klutched's build has stock plenum and high mount. -
Just need the injectors to fit somehow, plenum on, redo the entire oil system (as the old one was filled with bits of metal) and then slot the lot in. Honestly over it
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If my stupid build ever finishes or if I don't rage quit and burn the lot I'm going to try beat that mph
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and they're shit.. that sequential shifter is also shit.. you forget to clutch and boom! A proper sequential box, with strain gauge to cut ignition/rpm and/or shut your TB via DBW is the only way. You can't just throw loads of RPM and torque in between gears, even DSG cuts torque via a torque management strategy - thus the farts and pops.
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Brake problems R33 gtst non abs
Dose Pipe Sutututu replied to Blakegtst's topic in R Series (R30, R31, R32, R33, R34)
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GOT SUM's RB34
Dose Pipe Sutututu replied to klutched's topic in Members Cars, Project Overhauls & Restorations
nice nice!!! getting faster