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"Some love it; some hate it. The ones who do love it, love it more than those who hate and that's what matters to me :)" That's a good way to look at it... you know... if that's what works for you

Pregnancy seems to affect everyone really differently ( a few friends going through it also atm). All I could say from watching Kate go through it is keep active and eat lots, but healthy choices.

Hahah you got it. I'll do what Kate did when she was preggers, some for me some for baby. Some for me, some for Leesh. I couldn't beleive she walked out of the hospital in pre-pregnancy jeans after a 1 night stay 0_0 Dem fit girls awwww yeah.

LOL Probably Troy, coz he needs to burn some calories, Nigga is carrying at least 2% more BF than is allowed.

Birds, If only you could channel that energy into an aesthetic attribute you'd be an adonis lol You know your shit works for you, and likely quite a few others (I think I'm in the same boat as you anyway), that's why there's more than one way to do anything because generally there's different ways that work well for different people. I think we've established that. You can have the same goal and achieve it in different ways, when he likes his way and it works for him, why get dem panties in a bunch trying to change it? Like you said, it's all just an opinion so take it with a grain of salt. Historically though, I've found that if a large number of people tend to have an opinion about you, it's generally either bang on the money about who you really are, or at the very least, is indicative of the façade that you maintain - if you're the type that tends to try and portray themselves as someone they're not. That's a generalisation though, as I'm the only one (in this convo) to have taken a dig at you so for all I know others may love the way you dispense advice. All this talking shit has given me a mighty hunger for cheese goods.

Wow, pics and everything, there's a good few minutes of lifting wasted in there. And you can't, for a second, entertain the idea that what works for you, diet wise only, may not work for him or any other number of people? If he has a system that works for him, regardless of what you think of the time invested or that you think it's unnecessary, why you so mad for? I don't recall him saying he needed to shave time of his dietary calculations, which is the main crux of your point it seems? I'm glad you don't care what I think of your appearance, though your prickly reaction kind of implies otherwise, but the point I was making was just that goals are subjective and you seem to tout your bf% and looks as some kind of validation that what you sprout has any more merit than any of the other guys here, who probably lift a lot more and, again only in my opinion, probably look a lot better too - which is more so your focal point it seems (and a perfectly valid one at that). Easy for me to criticise though, I don't look great or lift that much, but I do enjoy the process. What I do tend to take issue with is when people try and force feed others their opinions as gospel when they are likely coming from a very different view point, not to mention that the truth of the matter is we are not all created equal. Oh, and you're right, it is just your opinion and you are free to share it like everyone else, you could learn a lot from TTT in delivering a no bullshit opinion without seeing this sort of reaction from the people you are likely trying to "help".

lol sorry Leesh, if it makes you feel better I'll only eat a quarter of it.

I hear ya, god damn I love eating. I just enjoy the process as weird as that sounds. I'm gonna go home and eat some cheese tonight, there's a fresh wheel in the fridge!

For what it's worth, I just make "smart"ish eating choices and let my eyes tell me the rest, so my method is probably more like Birds, but I do not have the same infatuation with BF % as some of the guys you see around as I'm not a body builder/professional model/quite that vain/already in a long term relationship/whatever other reason people have. My goals are squat more, dead more, improve leg/back/upper body strength imbalances and get my ankle better. Whether I'm 5% or 30% bf really makes SFA difference to those goals. If I had a really specific goal or a special dietary requirement/intolerance, I'd be far more invested in the dietary side of thing as some of you guys here are. Side bar, I'm getting low on my supp so when I'm out I'll order a KG of that BN WPC and report back for anyone else interested.

Oh Birds you make me laugh so much. Add that 5mins to the time you already spent trying to debate the fact with a person who simply doesn't care what you think, time you wasted that you could have been using to lift. And honestly, given you mentioned your stats of being 6'3 and 80kg, and having seen a pic of Troy, he looks a whole lot better than you do anyway. Which is a point in itself, goals are completely subjective, aesthetics included, so while you might think you look good at 10% bf others would not. In the end, worry about what you want to achieve and how to get it rather than trying to convince others that your way is the right way for them, especially given that different things work for different people different ways. I'll be in the corner squatting poorly if you need me.

Why would you waste that precious time Birds, surely you should be lifting?

Wasn't reading anything in particular TTT, was just thinking about when mixing up a drink the other night so then jumped online and had a scout around. As was mentioned, you will always find support for any opinion on the web so it's interesting to see what other things sometimes. As I sit here drinking another...

I'm not directly saying that Leesh. "I'm not saying protien shakes are bad, but just that in general, whole foods tend to be a healthier choose for a number of reasons." And I will point out that this is an assumption on my part. I know I am happier and heathier when I eat more whole foods than processed ones irrespective of protien, so I'm thinking about whether I can/should eliminate the protein shake entirely and just have a post workout smoothie with fruit and berries and yoghurt etc.

As an example of many bits of text around, take a look at this. http://www.naturallyintense.net/blog/weight-loss/protein-shakes-do-you-really-need-them-part-2-of-2/ I'm not saying protien shakes are bad, but just that in general, whole foods tend to be a healthier choose for a number of reasons. I love the idea of a quick post workout smash it in shake to get everything, but I have no idea what else is in that shake. Pardon the pun but it's just food for thought. I will never be a calorie counter zomg must eat my specific protien meals through the day kind of guy, I like a post workout as I recover better and my loads are not heavy enough to really require ultra concentration on my nutrition, my choices are healthy enough that I'm in good enough shape without that level of scrutiny (but again my goals and loads are low).

Speaking of food. Who's made the transition from protein shakes to purely whole foods? The idea of long term consumption of protein shakes doesn't sit well with me and I'm a minimal user as it is (post work out and the morning after only).

You have looked too far into it, your time would be better spent enjoying cheese

I hear ya, we almost always have some basic Brie or Camembert in the fridge and use any social gathering as an excuse to get something nicer. That and I'm big on basil/pesto type dips.

You're more restrained than I am then

The one's I've tried were good Leesh but I Iike sweet things.

Have you tried the BN WPC or are you just talking WPCs in general?

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Small update, had a good 15min stretch/warm up then got into a lighter session tonight. Aimed for 2 sets of everything (with lighter weight on back engaging exercises so squat, DL and row) and got through it all OK, feeling the same today so no worse than previous. Interestingly the discomfort is centralising which I'd think is a good thing maybe? I'm also doing 5mins of jogging in my morning walk, but weird jogging as asked by the physio where I lean a fair way forward and the balls of my feet are not talking all the load, momentum kind of pulls you forward.

And he's right 0_0

I'm not sure what mine are flexed, currently stuck on couch with baby sleeping on my chest. Bigger but not sure how much. Birds, at 6ft and 65kg I was a rake, you must have been close to death at 63 lol Eat a burger man. Boz, I'll trade you some Bench for leg strength. Side bar: Squatted a little for the first time Since last week when my back went south. Physio OK'd it and to my surprise it felt decent. My pelvis is starting to feel different (maybe better in some way?)

I just grabbed the tape and at the biggest point even I have just under 26inches and I can't even squat my own body weight yet and I'm far from fat either so I wouldn't be too caught up on size gents, Birds is smaller but much stronger etc. Where you guys measuring from? I'm just standing up and measuring towards the top half of my leg at the roundest part, flexed it's bigger again. Sidebar, I have skinny legs so u guys must have really skinny legs or I'm measuring wrong somehow.