No Crust Racing

No.

Agreed, there will always be those types of buyers, in all markets, forever. Some of them learn, some of them don't, though I don't really care about them as that's not my job - I've learned my lessons and made changes accordingly. If higher insurance costs stops some of them buying into buying cars they can't afford, they will just piss it up the wall on the latest smart phone anyway. Fools and their money being easily parted and all that. The cost of owning the "dream" right now, weekender or daily, is minimum 2k-3k in yearly costs of insurance and rego, end of story. Can't afford that? Don't buy one. Can't continue to afford that now or don't want to? Sell it. If 3k out of someones income in a given year is a financial deal breaker, whether they bought it before insurance went up or not, they stretched a bit far to get it in the first place and whilst that's understandable given the emotional attachment some of us have to these cars, things change and now they must make a decision based on new market factors. Do I eat this insurance cost and enjoy the car some more knowing it went up/is going up in value? Or can I not afford this/don't want to and will just sell and take that free money now? If 3k is a mental limit for you/others and you just can't see the value, then that dream has a value limit and it's been exceeded. Sell up and enjoy that free value you gained by the market shift. All in all, We can agree to disagree, good luck with your sale/best of luck with insurance quotes if you stick around.

I was referring to 34s, but even for 32/33, 2k a year is $38 a week, so SFA in the grand scheme of owning a "special" car. As with ANY sports/luxury car, all associated costs are higher. There will always be goobers who over commit and end up having to buy shit tyres and worry about insurance costs (Please remember I had my first Turbo R33 in my early 20s with astronomical insurance and was working part time and going to Uni, I was not then, nor am I now "rich"). I know exactly what it's like to struggle to buy text books/ afford fuel etc, but I made sacrifices in other areas to have my special car, and more so when I bought my first GT-R. If insurance is the straw that breaks the camels back, and $1500 less a YEAR ($28 a week) would have made the difference, you are over committing financially and making a mistake in buying it. Those people probably drink many cans of energy drinks/smoke cigarettes/buy coffee daily etc and could easily make 1-2 simple lifestyle changes to compensate. On the other side of that equation, your point about people who bought in and have enjoyed reasonable insurance rates on their 32/33 until idiots ruined the scheme is super valid and I would be pissed if I was in that boat. For me $1400 per year is a fair price for a car worth 80-90k, it's no different for a 35/M4, I've checked. I would still pay $1400 per year for a really nice 32/33 coming in as a new buyer, but if I was an existing owner and had been paying $500pa then got slugged with 2k? My jimmies would be highly rustled. Then I would chill out and realise my insurance was $9.6 a week and now it's $28 more per week, but the cars value has climbed without me doing jack shit to have earned that additional value so I could just sell up and be in front or sit on the car, spend and extra 2-3k over the next 2 years in insurance then sell up and still be well in front. Or I could just tell my insurer to only cover it for what I actually spent so if it gets written off or stolen I break even, kept my premiums low and wont buy back in anyway because I refuse the high insurance rates out of principle. Given how much your cars value has likely gone up, as long as you haven't done a mega build with top shelf parts, you'll end up in a much better position than you otherwise might have, and the price for that is a bit of extra insurance.

GTR and M3 both nice cars. What you save in insurance you can spend on rod bearings instead lol

*shrug* mines insured for a fair price and a reasonable premium. Plenty of others the same. Lets hope I never need it. Silvia dregs of society lol, I have one of those too, can confirm, am serious bogan

Lol insurance price stopping people buying them. Maybe people who couldn't really afford one in the first place maybe?

Hmm... never considered that.

I should have added, I meant for the Silvia. So the 1Nm extra torque to the wheels will be felt

I've thought about elec steering before. What's your main reason for the conversion? I have seen RB PS pumps split apart at track days, is that he reason or less parasitic loss?

I said this even when I didn't have a GT-R, and still bought another one 0_0 #itsasickness

Last time I checked I didn't own a car crusher 0_0 My evil plan was just to drive it occasionally.

You can leave it in my shed if you want. premiums will be lower as I'm in a lower risk area I'll even give it a run from time to time for you.

I still think 33 is the best value GT-R, newer and nicer than R32, lighter and much cheaper than R34.

I'm finding the whole balance of GT-R ownership a bit skewed honestly. How long I keep it remains to be seen.

No, just well off, they may have worked hard for it, they may have had it handed to them, but money does have a tendency of bringing out the asshole in some people. If I know people who have drug money, I'm not aware of it, I don't tend to run in those circles like Milan

There's no cheap path to 600-650rwhp that doesn't include lag. You can make that with older tech/second hand singles but it will be laggy. If you want response AND power, you will pay for it.

^ Disagree, you just attract a different breed of flamin mongrel. Actually, most of the bigger assholes I know have money behind them.

I can't believe an R33 is worth 80k 0_0

Ahh, rare model and theft history, unlucky!

All Shannons wanted from me was a few photos from each angle and a spec/mod list. Took 15mins to do. $2800 per year?! That's twice what I'm paying. What car is this for and how old are you?

I am always looking at other cars.. I am not a faithful GT-R owner at all. Time will tell.

Didn't you buy an Evo X you sell out?

My conscience and fear of the consequences would have be back pedaling out of those places very quickly. Maybe even on boost.

I'm not sure what circles you run in mate, but no I haven't been asked by anyone to casually commit insurance fraud lol

I hadn't even considered that 0_0 Who has a shed for me to park my car lol Yes I am kidding, don't PM you dodgy f**kers.