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I think its an excellent thing to get rid of AFM. Map sensor can be accurately tuned, I see how it goes tomorrow. Had a play with the software it appears that it can run either MAP sensor or AFM.
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SS2 maxed at 320rwkws, the average was 315rwkws. But the power curve was more linear while this one had more mid range. The Adaptronic ECU have turned up today. I've ordered the E420D basic: This ecu comes with a large chunks of looms. It is slightly cheaper. and the Plug in RB25det ecu with metal casing. Both of them has built in 4 bar map sensor (no afm yea~), they comes with software, and data cable. I will be trailing the plugin ecu tomorrow, will post feedbacks and results when done, hopefully every thing goes well. Ps. Did any one get a error message of: [#10151] An unknown error occurred when posting on this thread?
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The light blue with most of power is with gate controller the rest are not. 25psi peak then bleed to 20psi is about where its "happy". The SS2 in original housing reaches 20psi about 3800RPMs, its not as responsive but made more power. So there is a trade off between power and response. Also notice the torque curve, of how its very wide spread that makes the strong and hard pull feel towards red line. By the way this turbo on the test car is for sale with a discount. PM me if you are interested. This is a hill climb competition footage sent in from one of our customer's S14 using ATR28G3 (268rwkws from memory) in Switzerland. enjoy
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^^ Above high flows should produce around 320HP each or about 520HP as a twin. Also I've made a new housing for the SS-2, This housing is using a circular tube exhaust tunnel while the original SS-2 runs a trapezoidal tunnel. It peeked 286.8rwkws @ 20psi and made 20psi by 3500RPMs. 9 sec dyno ramp, 98 fuel. Its got a pretty smooth power delivery on road, it made the power very easily and didn't get hot either. The SSPU is touch bit more responsive, while this one had a bit more top end. The difference in drivability is I could feel the beat of the engine with the SS2 as power and torque unleashes, like a powerful small V8 feel, while the SS1PU just goes WAHAAAA.. and I'm skiting. But either way both of them are in my favorites.
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This is for people whom wanted to see the timing and fuel map for the SS1.5, SSPU is 3 degrees more advanced in ignition.
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New Housing Arrived Looks A Bit Funny?
hypergear replied to t04z's topic in Engines & Forced Induction
yes that what we do every day. need the housing and turbo as the rear needs to be exact not only where the exducer is but also the profile runs along the blade. then that should work. -
New Housing Arrived Looks A Bit Funny?
hypergear replied to t04z's topic in Engines & Forced Induction
lol. won't work. the clearance should be 20 thou this looks like 500 times more then that. You need to sleeve the bore, then re-machine the housing to suit your wheel. -
Use the SS1PU. thats is the perfect turbo for the job. and don't need much boost either
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Actually all you need is the FNT turbine setup. that get rid of the flat spot down low, and the G3 accelerate very violently through out rev range with that mod on 20psi. Ask Pat to give you a rid.
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They are coming along fine. I'm still making up the final decisions of the wheel parameters. I want to machine a tinny 60mm comp wheel that can blow out the equivalent of a 71mm cast wheel. That would be crazy to drive with the SS-1's turbine combination. Should get very noticeable difference even on factory setup. Unmarked sketches of the new wheel design. The SS1.5 and SS1PU is now commercially available. We will need 1 extra working days to machine any of the billet wheeled turbos. Price of the SS2 and SS1PU listed is based on a building of a single unit from a block of steel, Their prices fluctuates depending on the No. of orders we get, so PM for their prices if interested as you might be able to get a 10~15% discount.
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Sorry I've decided to build you a brand new turbine housing using bigger wastegate assembly and gate controller. You should have the pack tomorrow or Monday. Also I've purchased adaptronic plug in and piggy pack ecus for testing, I will give a discount on the ECU for all of our customers whom is or have purchased our turbocharger or high flow services, if they works well on my test cars. So R33 GTST owners now can have a good and reliable ECU option for under $1000. Any way this is the ATR43SS-1.5 model. I didn't install a wastegate controller on the testing unit so I ended up with a boost drop, that also lead to drop in power and torque. The controller will be integrated for one more run. 9 sec ramp Here's the fun part. This turbo is made to have similar top end as the original SS-1 but with more torque. The SS-1's torque feels quite smooth and linear, while this one gives this explosion of torque as soon as the paddle is stepped in. It sky rockets 510Mn of torque by 3900RPMs, put that on road it skits in 3rd gear acceleration. Seriously need to control the car with my right foot, but this is very fun to drive. Above behavior is also found in the SS1PU, except the PU version is 2x times magnified (that turbo is crazy to drive on road).
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On another thought its a good thing. Because Trent stopped you from dumpping thounsands of dollars in trouble shooting and headaces. Toshi is comming to melbourne for remap you can just get that for $500. Or I can supply you a adaptronic ecu for $1000.
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We are taking dealer ship with adaptronic ecus that run on Map sensors. Cost abit more but you save from the donor ecu, and Z32 AFM assembly. so works out to be about the same . I will speak to trent on Thursday to see whats the most best option within the budget, and will post up prices, all of our customers will receive a discount on those ECUs. You can put up your Z32 ecu and nistune chip on ebay. I'm pretty sure some one will buy that package from you.
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Turbo! That Vacuum Cleaner Thingy Under The Bonnet
hypergear replied to Mattyt_84's topic in Engines & Forced Induction
You will be surprised. -
They didn't work properly on my cars, the ECUs on them are fine. I don't want to discuss those issues publically, and I believe Nistune is working towards solving those glitches in their systems.
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Well, looking forward to see you guys making some thing work Properly with R33 GTSTs in the near future. Update: This is for a set of GTR turbos that we've asked to match port their housings and manifolds then do a high flow. We will be using ATR43G1 profiles in those with FNT turbine modifications, They are expected to make some where close to 350awkws at full capacity as a twin on 98 fuel. Photos in comparison: Those are photo of stock GTR manifolds: Photo of the pair that we've ported: Photo of factory turbine housings: Turbine housings we've match ported: Profiled turbine housing to suit larger turbine wheel: Machined and enlarged wastegate port:
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Bad Result From My Dyno Read Out Please Help
hypergear replied to tyler p's topic in Engines & Forced Induction
Sounds normal for a standard R33 turbine housing. To4E's wheels won't be able to blow that much air out of a small housing. To get 270rwkws you will need a much bigger rear housing with a more free flow wheel assembly. -
Or you can run a very strong actuator.
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^^^^^ Yes Well I'm not a computer gig, I've emailed you all the issues I've experienced as a user, I guess trent will be happy to go into details when he's free. I'm in the process of getting a LinkG4 will post up some feedbacks once they are installed and tuned.
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He did say he will never do another one. Do makes sense after all those stuffing around and no results. Talk to him nicely and see what he says.
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I always get data corruption issues on the test car, and with the new illustration car it does all sort of random strange things and knock map is not responding to the tune. The test car goes onto the dyno every week so the data in it gets changed quite so often, I'm not sure if that causes the issue. I believe the boards or what ever the ecu its originally made for is ok. The Z32 ECU and nistune chip on R33GTST just didn't work probably on my cars. Which it's also the reason trent stopped doing those.
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Probably want some thing knocks less on high boost. Also For people who's thinking doing Z32 ECU with Nistune on R33. Don't do it. I'm having so much trouble getting it to work, they are unreliable, and many areas that can’t be touched. Big thanks Trent's spent 6 hours tuning and try to fix it and it just don't work. I'm thinking of modding the illustration car back to stock or going for a PFC or Link ecu for my next run.
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First of all turbos are different with unique wheel design as well as housing and gate sizes. Means the back pressure in them are not the same. So high pressure actuator only means it hold certain pressure on the turbo that has been specifically made for, refer to what I was originally asked to build. If you run an actuator from a different turbo to on some thing else obviously its going to give different readings. Eg. If I run an actuator that made to hold 18psi on a .58 rear housing, then that actuator will hold 24psi on a .82 rear housing. As the back pressure from the .58 is lot greater then the .82. Only means its not the correct part, does not mean its bad quality. That is why I asked you to keep the original actuator I've tested and supplied with the turbo, or buy it back from my self. Have a look at my boost pressure curve for the SS2, that is a perfect actuator for that turbo. In terms of High pressure actuators we have 4 different spring settings so I guess you've fitted the strongest one by luck, same as what I've fitted on the SS1-PU.