thanks guys, iv been looking at the jap DINs but i was thinking of something that perhaps would mount a little higher, more within sight, but at the moment the just jap din seems like the only thing around that will meet both the function and looks i want. ill get some better pics in the nxt couple days, the 1 in my avatar is the only 1 i got atm and its from the 1st day i had it, hence the lack of cooler and the jap rego stickers still resideing on the windscreen