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Just further to everything else, one of the organisers of the show has made a comment in regards to this on another forum, here is a quote from that post: "yes we have an Inlet Temp issue, however we are still unsure as to the variation factor until the log file/software version is inspected by Dyno Dynamics, the sensor was reading 230, not 270 so some further clarification is required, yes Eddy will back up any claims and YES Eddy tapped Aaron off the last run before peak power was made as the screen/dyno issue stopped the car displaying any more power - I have watched the car on more dyno runs than I can remember, including all our A.M.E. shows and at Summernats and have NEVER know the car to sound as strong or smooth. - All credit to Eddy and Dyno Dynamics and everyone with an interest in the sport for the amazing results that continue to please crowds around Australia." So it seems there was a problem with the Inlet Temp, but it's affect is unknown, however, the power run was cut short due to the computer being unable to display any more power, so there is more power left in this thing.

I would have a look around for an E36 325/328 if I were you. They really aren't that expensive, even E36 M3's are coming down to around the $30k mark, which means that the 325 will be getting around the $20k mark. I remember seeing a 325i Motorsport not long ago which was modified (paint, wheels etc) for $22k.

Yes, BMW servicing will be a killer, and watch out if you ever damage the thing! If you must have a BMW, then the E36 325i coupe has to be the pick, the 318s are a decent looking car, but they have no balls at all. You will miss the extra power the first time you try to overtake someone. Have you considered something like a Senator? They have all the creature comforts and decent power, and they can be had for under $20k, but if you really don't want a Holden then I suppose it is out of the question.

I think the record is supposed to be for the most powerful small-block engine. I agree with the previous comments, there is no way this thing is going to be doing laps of a track or getting street registered. The record for the highest HP street car is held by Brett Waine who made 1470.8rwhp at Summernats 17 in RAPID8. The car was street registered, and used pump fuel. Rod Hadfields "Final Attack" Chev with the 27litre V12 is street registered, but it does not have full rego, it is limited. After doing some reading, I reckon that this figure might be a little inflated due to the intake temp figure. Increasing the intake temp figure is about the most common way of fudging a dyno result. Dyno Dynamics reckons that the sensor failed, and that it would not have any impact on the power figure, while some other people have said that it could have up to 30% correction ratio applied..... Anyway, it is still tough, and it still makes a heap of horsepower, even if the 30% ratio is applied.

I think it is a record for a small block engine. I will definitely be a record for pump fuel once it gets retuned.

With regard to the turbos, I am not sure what they are, they are Garrett and they are big. Here is a pic of the engine bay.

I asked that very question myself. I have been assured by someone who was a competitor there (not sure if you have heard of the PSI-355 VR SS commodore with 900rwhp - the guy who owns that was competing there on the day) that on that particular run the inlet temp sensor failed causing it to revert to it's default setting which is 230. He said that Dyno Dynamics have assured that it did not affect power figures in anyway, and the sensor was fixed for the next run which was 1898.9rwhp. The guy who owns PSI-355 said that he tried putting the inlet temp sensor in the exhaust to see what would happen, his 900rwhp car gained 20hp, so it appears that the inlet temp does not have as much of an affect with high hp as it does with low hp. I am no expert, just relaying information from people who were there. This is the actual quote which the owner of PSI-355 put up on the Street Commodores chat forum when I made a comment about the intake temp: UD_LOSE: ALL WRONG..........This was the first issue they sorted out last night Halfway through the second run the intake temp sender failed and went into default as 230 is the default code!!!!!!!! it was confirned last night that this had no affect on the figres by Mr Dyno Dynamics, Peter Humphrys so b4 you start shootin ya mouths off get ya facts STRAIGHT Eddy will back up his numbers as he always does time and time again he does'nt need to defend himself he is as has been NO1 for years and proved this in every state!!!! I hope he does roll this into summernats would be entertaining 2 say the least good day

Well, the guy who owns the TRYHRD VX Clubsport (1200+rwhp), reckons that the Clubby is more drivable and better behaved than his Ferrari F355 that he uses as his daily driver. If set up properly, there is no reason that it can't be driven. Mind you, Eddy Tassones cars are alot crankier than TRYHRD too. TRYHRD is so sedate, that if you didn't see the dyno readout, you wouldn't even believe how much power it makes. It is quiet and well behaved, it almost seems stock.

Not sure what box, I will see if I can find out. The logical choice would be the T56 6 speed. He used to use a T5 in his VH for dyno runs and a powerglide for the track. I know that this thing has a manual, I will find out exactly what.

The official record was held by Brett Waine in his twin turbo 372ci VC commodore, that was 1470.8rwhp on pump. Eddy's VH made 1376 on pump, and 1525 on C16. This figure was done on C16, but once the car is tuned, I would say it will get a tune for pump fuel for use at Summernats. Also, Brett Waines car is street registered, not sure about this thing.

Yes it is the same engine from the VH, but it has been changed a fair bit. New turbos, plenum/intake, probably new cam, intercooler etc, I think the only thing the same is the 383 bottom end. It is making about 500rwhp more than the VH, so it has changed a fair bit. Interestingly enough, if you were to see the boost graph, it makes over 600rwhp at 2000rpm, so the turbos may look laggy, but there is plenty of power down low. Don't forget they only revved it to 6500.

I would double check your excess, I am 24, and have a S2 R33 GTS-T Just Cars quoted me $1650 with an $1850 excess for damage or $1300 for theft. I ended up going with Shannons who were $1900 premium, with a $900 excess, but when I turn 25, the excess becomes $500, and the premium about $1400.

At the Holden vs Ford show this weekend (just gone), Eddy Tassones VZ Commodore ute made 1899rwhp, which is a new world record. The car has a 383 stroker V8 (based on the old Holden 5.0L block) with twin turbos, custom cam and manifold using 40psi and C16 fuel. Apparently they backed off before the redline because the engine was leaning out due to the fact it was not tuned properly (they only put the engine together the day before the event), so it only revved to 6500rpm, and the dyno graph indicates it will keep going. Summernats, here we come. Edit: here are some pics. hopefully the guy I stole them off doesn't mind.... The dyno sheet below was taken after the second run, the third run was 1898.9rwhp.

Not true. In NSW, there is capacity vs weight laws. If a car came weighs less than 1100kg or came as a 4 cylinder, then you are allowed to go 2.5 times the weight of the car in cubic centimetres as the maximum engine size for a turbo engine. 3.0 times for an NA engine. If the car weighs more than 1100kg and came with more than 4 cylinders, you can go 4.0 times the weight for a turbo motor, and 4.82 times for a NA motor. I asked the RTA about doing a V8 conversion in an R32, they said I could go up to 6.2L Naturally Aspirated. Also, the R32 was offered with an RB25 towards the end of production, so you shouldn't have any problems with legality. As long as you run the factory RB25 ECU, and the exhaust meets emissions & noise ADRs you should be fine.

I thought they were based in Australia, I suppose it makes sense that they are based in Japan. I never said it was Nenguns fault, I have never gotten anything from overseas before and did not realise I would get charged an extra $360 in taxes. Had I known, I think I would have just bought the stuff from a local supplier.

An extra $360 in taxes, that sucks big time. They should be able to tell you whether you will pay tax or not, considering they seem to be based in Australia. Has anyone else ordered over $1000? Can you confirm whether or not you got charged taxes?

Turbos are far more efficient than a centrifugal supercharger. The supercharger is almost exactly the same design as a turbo, but is belt driven rather than using the exhaust gasses to spin the blades. A supercharger draws power from the engine via the belt, meaning that it is less efficient. Turbocharging is by far the most efficient form of forced induction. To give you an idea, one guy I know of was running a 355ci V8 with a Vortech blower running 8 psi, it made 420rwhp. He has now changed to turbo (GT4088 from memory), and it makes the same horsepower on 4psi, and makes well over 500 on 8psi. Also, the supercharger is worse for space than a turbo as well, particularly when you are after big hp. Some centrifugal blowers are over 13" in diameter, imagine trying to install that in your engine bay.

I just gave Customs a call, they said car parts have an additional 10% tax plus GST, so it looks like I am up for about $300 extra. That sucks, stupid government. I suppose it is something to watch out for when buying though.

Is there anyone I can contact to find out?

Really? Any idea how much?

I ordered some parts from Nengun yesterday, paid via Direct Deposit - still says Awaiting Payment, but it was only yesterday. It says the Shipment date is the 16th, so hopefully it shouldn't take long. As far as I know, there are no extra costs for getting stuff imported from Japan - at least I hope not. I got an ARC cooler kit for $905, Apexi AVCR for $562 plus $234 for shipping. All up, $1700, which isn't too bad for the parts I am getting. Hopefully they will turn up soon without any dramas.

I remember seeing that DVD. The stupid thing is that they got the CRX, spent something like $18000 on it (not including the paint job apparently), and it only ran 13s. Imagine if they had started with something decent like an R32, VL Turbo or even a V8 Commodore, it would be running 11s, maybe quicker. I can't remember it beating a 600hp GTST, I remember it beating the XR8 and Aston Martin DB7, but the modified R34 GTR beat it.

I always thought the the Skyline GTS-T's were about $60-70k, the 300ZX and Supra was around $80k, 3000GT was about $100k and the GTR was about $120k. I really don't want to argue with anyone, but I am saying that you can get big power out of anything, but when you get serious, V8s will always make more power. Anyway, the V8s vs Turbos debate is exactly the same as Holden vs Ford, everyone has their preference, and no-one can convince them otherwise. I have owned a couple of V8s, I now have a Skyline, the Skyline is great, but I would happily own another V8. As far as torque goes, I think the R33 GTST was rated for 295Nm, where as a bog stock VN 5.0L (165kw) was rated at 380Nm. Big difference. There are some 8's around making in excess of 1200Nm of torque.

V8s are great for shear grunt, but as mentioned, they are generally not the best handling cars in the world. The old Holden 5L was a stout motor for its time, very reliable with good torque, but it is way outdated, it was based on a design nearly 40 years old. With 165kw in standard form, they were not blisteringly fast, but got along ok - lets see anyone chuck a caravan on the back of a Skyline and tow it up Mt Ousley. The newer V8s are much better, and the cars in general are better for handling and refinement. I think Holden was onto something when they brought out the 220i GTS with 6 speed, but they canned it for the (still awesome) Corvette motor. Even though I drive a Skyline now, I would have a 220i GTS or a 6L Commodore in a heartbeat. Another thing to remember is that the Skyline GTS-T was worth about $70k when they came out, more than the cost of a new clubsport, the GTR was worth well over $100k, as were the 3000GT. The 300ZX and Supra were also very expensive cars, so they would want to be pretty good. Personally, back in 1990 when the R32 GTR was sold in Australia for $120k, a Corvette ZR-1 would have been a very nice alternative. Comparing Skylines to Commodores isn't really fair, they are closer to high-end HSV, and other semi-exotics.

Was that directed at me? If so, I have a good sense of humour, and I do find this funny. Rather ill-informed, but funny. It is blatantly having a shot at V8 drivers, and being a V8 driver myself, I find the "turbos vs V8s" arguments very amusing. Base line is, you can't beat physics, a bigger engine with the same work will always make more power.