Yeh, I was refering to the same laws in the eastern states, where P platers are not allowed to drive turbos or v8s. Mark, yeh I do agree that there should be more training required to obtain licences, but my comment was aimed at where we are currently. Without extensive vehicle training or road experiance (both which are currently not required to obtain licences in WA), shoving a P plater in a turbo or v8 is just an accident waiting to happen.