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I apologies to all, I am working on my e-tone. So used to just being direct with what I think it does come across in an unpolite manner.

Both of those guys are standing next 16yo girls...I didn't comment on size because I have no metrics or real comparisons. Why don't you compare their arm and chest sizes to some bodybuilders, think you'll find it's not that special. Physiques like that are a dime a dozen in America. To me it seems like you are more impressed by the vascularity, waxed chest and tan....

If you train, eat, sleep right for 5 years and don't achieve your goal then yes you don't have the genetics for it. Most people don't even come close to maintaining the level of discpline required to carry out this for an extensiveable amount of time to see what their body is really capable of. Here are some more pics of kwan, one from his 2nd comp which was nationals I think and one from the natural INBA comp on the Gold Coast a few weeks ago where he took out the intermidiate mens division, and a shot of his back. Remember he competes in a drug-tested natural bodybuilding comp so don't cry steroids or diuretics. This is why I say he has the genetics for it, because how many natural 5'7 70kg guys do you see walking around with this build? Not many..

23/11/11 SQ Bar x 10 40kg x 10 70kg x 10 90kg x 5 120kg x 1 120kg x 12 140kg x 5 140kg x 5 140kg x 5 140kg x 1..stop..vomit??, wtf??? lol! No more Red Bull during training 140kg x 4 140kg x 4 140kg x 3 145kg x 2 O/H SQ Bar x 20 22.5kg x 20 S/S Standing Goodmornings 22.5kg x 15 25kg x 15

Yeah, if we look at my fried kwan I posted about in the other thread, he is natural and best gentics I've seen with my own eyes, he stepped on stage weighing 70kg and had 16" arms

(this is why you don't see 60kg guys with 18" arms)

might also want to note, to gain an inch on your arms you need to gain 15pounds of body mass, and the most efficient way to do that is compound lifts (squat,bench,deadlift,push press, etc) and eat 4g protein/kg bodyweight every 3hrs. When you weigh 90kg and have 18" arms then you can start doing isolation exercises.

My guess is diuretics or his diet must be pretty farkin clean to get bodyfat down that low. But alas the internet Dezz could post anything and without a shred of proof it isn't worth jack..

Let's settle this, Birds post up some physique shots. If you're not truly happy with where you are then my comment about learnt nothing in 8 years is quite valid...

For the sake of being strong? Strong is healthy. Healthy is good.

Well compared to who? What exactly are you goals, what do you look like? I've been following your posts for a while in this section, some of them I don't particularly agree on (never said anything), and I have yet to see a photo of your physique or training log to see how you train, so the only thing to go on was after 8years of training you're still benching ~100kg, which is not particularly great considering that level can be achieved by most with less than 12months of training, regardless of what their goals are, but of course dependant upon their trainer. Read it again, plenty of 10-20 rep sets. What level, please go into detail? In a recent post by you weren't you asking about weight loss and best way to maintain an AFL-type physique IIRC? You should certainly know this after 8 years of messing around in the gym. Like I said above I've been following some of your posts and just found it strange some of the stuff you and talk about considering you have spent so many years training. The point I was making is that a lot of people hide behind the "I don't have the genetics to be good at this" banner, as an excuse to not try. When I started weight lifting I was a 49kg cross country runner, thinner than a chopstick, did anyone ever think my "genetics" would allow me to squat 350 pounds? Or close grip bench press 100kg with 12" arms? or deadlift 375pounds? I haven't been training that long but I've still got a lot more potential to suck out of my "genetics" by training to improve them. I can guarantee you are nowhere near your limits, there is ALWAYS room to improve. You just have to want it, and have to train for it. At PTC Frankston there is an old guy James, 62yo, with less than 2years training, has deadlifted 200kg, squatted 165kg and benched 90kg. If an old guy like that can achieve those results then so can any 20-30yo half-capable male. There was a guy at the last PTC Brisbane powerlifting comp with cerebral palsy that lifted some good weights, more than the average gym rat. The majority of PTC clients are regular Joes who want to get fit and keep in shape. They don't look like bodybuilders, they don't look like power lifters, they look like normal people, but they're stronger and more capable than the average gym rat because of how they train. Tl;dr? Make the most of your time in the gym. .......if Old James went to Fitness First a PT would have him jogging on a treadmill followed by fluffy dumbbell curls, some 1/4 squatting with a fanny pad, and some pushups on a bosu ball...

Mate I haven't posted anything childish, it's all factual information and legitmate correspondance. This isn't off-topic and incase you haven't realised I do have a strong interest in resistance training.

The funny thing with genetics is they seem to improve the harder you train, and it's easy to spot people who don't put in the effort because they're too busy making excuses about genetics this or steroids that... The funny thing about "steroids" is people think they lift the weights for you, prepare your 6-8 meals a day for you (and eat them for you too), make sure you get 8-10 hours sleep eveny night for you, hell they probably think they inject themselves for you and monitor their own blood tests for you too...

That's funny because how much bodyfat you carry is determined by how much shit food you eat, and how strong you are is determined by how effectively you train.

This is what you do in the gym when you 'weight lift". Bodybuilder?, Weightlifter?, Powerlifter? None of the above, hammer thrower (track and field athlete). See why classifying everyone who lifts weights as a 'bodybuilder' is not only retarded but disrespectful to those who actually are bodybuilders? Do you know how much discipline is involved in being a top level bodybuilder?

All my lifts are documented in my training log

Post a photo of your mum and I'll judge your family..

Fair enough then. How much does Birds weigh? I thought I read 90-96kg somewhere? Anyway a bodyweight bench press might be impressive if you weigh 140kg+, but for an average joe it's pretty...average

Powerlifter, bodybuilder, weightlifter, what difference does is make what you call it, they all lifts weights and the good ones are all pretty strong. Is there some consensus that because someone is a 'bodybuilder' they should be excused from lifting decent poundages? This is my mate kwan, he's 5'7, 70kg, and just won the intermediate mens INBA (natural bodybuilding in a drug tested federation so nobody cry "roids"), he benches 130kg+ @ 80kg, pretty successful bodybuilder you could say, only his 3rd comp, been training for 5 years, has a strong looking physique because he is strong. Most people lifting sub-par weights hide behind the "I'm bodybuilding and strength isn't my goal blah blah" spiel, but they never get on stage so they aren't bodybuilders, they're just "weight lifters". So if you don't look like a bodybuilder, and you can't lift respectable poundages for the amount of time you've spent training, then I ask what the hell have you been doing in the weights room all that time? (provided you don't have an injury/doing rehab etc)

Easy bro, just interested to know what he was doing in the gym all that time

No offence birds but after 8-9 years and not even benching 100kg I'd say you haven't learnt a thing...

OP, IMO, from my experience, your body has no reason to want to eat more food. You aren't training hard enough. You need to give your body a reason to grow. When I don't train hard I find it extremely hard to eat more than needed, but when I've trained hard and hurting it's easy to eat. 5x5 is a good template to work around provided you are moving heavy enough weight to stimulate growth. IMO when you are weak you can't generate enough force to stimulate growth from the weight you are using doing only 5 reps (in 5x5 for example), so you need to either do a lot more volume, i.e. 10 sets of 5 reps (instead of just 5 sets), or you need to do more reps, i.e. 10-20 reps for 5 sets. What this does is start to condition your body and get it used to doing 'work'. From there you start building a 'base' and then you have a foundation to start getting stronger from. Have a browse through my training log. You'll notice I only do a handful of exercises, but my sessions go for 60-90mins and sometimes I do 20-30 sets, (generally 10-15). I can do this because they're compound movements, working my whole body, not one muscle. What this means is I can pretty much guarentee although I might not train a particular exercise or movement, I'm probably stronger/faster/better at it then you are, simply because I've been training my whole body as a unit and in turn the unit gets stronger everywhere. At the end of the day everyone has different ideas, and everything works for someone, you just need to find what works for you. There's a saying that goes something like this, the worst program done with the most effort gives more results than the best program doen with the least effort. The key here is effort.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7dQOP9nOoc

18/11/11 BP Bar x 15 40kg x 10 Had a go at max bodyweight for reps challenge and did 70kg x 18 72.5kg x 2 85kg x 5 80kg x 8 80kg x 6 80kg x 5 80kg x 5 60kg x 17 Front Plate Raises 25kg x 15 25kg x 15 12 Pullups 5 Chinups

5'7