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DRF13, im glad to hear you are pioneering the professional side of drift in Australia and i really do hope your keeping your drivers ego and PR skills in check because if theres anything as important as skills its PR. If your drivers have an arrogant conceited attitude itll be to the detriment of your team and the sports public image. sounds like youve got that in check. What they say to the media and the public through them is vitally important. gotta walk the walk. keep it up. hopefully your hard work will improve the image of the sport.

I think V8s are great too. Its just that i dont like the stigma attached to them in australia. too much pride and not enough acceptance. I dont care what people compete in or drive on a daily basis for that matter but i will say i have my preferences! im not bigoted, discriminatory or prejudiced in any way.. Whether your soarer would be better than my 86 is a matter of skill and the cars abilities. Power is hardly ever a factor and especially so in the wet..personally the soarer's wheelbase is too long for drift but they still use them over here.. and only with moderate success, at best...dont go writing off my 86 just yet! Its the ATTITUDE im talking about or haven't you gathered that since i started this thread?? I will go back to my original points i mentioned at the start. Do yourself a favor and watch a round...any round, of DA and then pop in a D1 disc. watch that and ask yourself how many areas of the sport you think YOU could improve. If you cant come up with a list of at least a dozen your watching with you eyes closed. Iron chef imports, this next part will answer your question.. Follow me for a moment.. If you went to a Job interview dressed in a polo and jeans and the guy next to you was dressed in his finest pinstripe do you think you would stand a chance of getting the job?.... I highly doubt it and if for one of the strangest reasons i can think of, did, would that make you feel like you were actually the "right" man for the position? It probably would...or at least you would fool yourself into thinking that. Its very likely you werent. lets say, for entertainments sake, you get the job. you settle in to your nice chair and have a job to do. you get paid enough and have a great time doing what you enjoy doing, because after all, this is what you have always wanted to do. people start asking you questions. They want to know whats going on because you have such an important position. They think its so great to be in that kind of position and you're lucky enough to be there through whatever reason be it money, support, luck or just pure fluke. When people ask you what you do, things start to go awry. Instead of being humble about it and knowingly pass it off as something unimportant, you instead spout off about all the great things you are bringing the company and how without you it wouldnt be the same. Instead of being humble, your being downright arrogant and pigheaded. People dont really want to talk to you about it after that and wonder why they asked in the first place. Its starting to look like its gone to your head. And indeed it actually has. Unfortunately, great skill in the hands of a fool is like putting a loaded weapon into the hands of a monkey as you demonstrate week in week out. You have what you have but your projecting an image that cant walk the walk and talk the talk although you think your abilities magically speak for themselves and solve all the other problems. people think your delusional. If youre at this point, take Dr. M3's advice. 1st. Take a chill pill and sit the $%#& down. 2nd. It isnt about what the sport can do for you, its about what you can do for the sport. 3rd Leave your $%&'#ing ego in the helmet bag. 4th If provoked, cajoled, insulted, heckled, abused then act like you heard your favorite track. Its only fuel for the fire when the shit hits the fan..and trust me if you can control that aggression the track is your punching bag. 5th WEAR APPROPRIATE RACE WEAR YOU SLOUCH! no one will take a racer in a t shirt, jeans and a bloody stackhat for crying out loud, seriously ANYWHERE. present yourself well and you will be well received. its a golden rule that must never be broken. 6th Live your life on track JUST THE SAME WAY you live your life off it...if you can control it. This is the most important step as whatever you do OFF the track will affect how people see you ON it. so if your drifiting the rings out of the beast on sunday and then get busted monday speeding what do you think thats going to do to the sports reputation?????? and the way people see you and the way they receive you?! You tell me. NO ONE is going to blame you if you are upright and blameless. If youre not a bloody hypocrite and keep to what you say and do..let your words follow your actions and your actions follow your words then no one can $%#& with you. Remember that. Not even the most dimwitted of people will do it to you. They will see your deeds on track and your deeds off it and know your alright and someone who can be trusted. I have yet to meet anyone who is like that in DA. All i have seen are classic cases of serial dellusionment bordering on the extremities of totalitarianism fostered by the media, actually encouraged by the media. Not just DA but Australian motorsport in general. Look around you fellow aussies..how much respect do you see in motorsport in other parts of the globe?? Do i need to metion, YET again, the Jerry springer fest that is V8 superstars??? I think they are all a bunch of arrogant cops. I live in tokyo but i love motor racing and i see a whole lot of love, comraderie and mutual respect as well as those many people that take the responsibility when they have the chance to. DA needs..NEEDS to think the same way and not just locally , but globally.

oh like that would have been any better for him... instead of plowing into a wall head on at 300kph, he would have plowed into another oncoming car at 280.. makes sense to me!

someone please explain why there are no horses in the field...?

in the second image if you look carefully you can see the Scott Speeds torro rosso in the background with him in a red top watching this accident happen right before his eyes..the BMW missed the red bull car by inches...

i didnt say legs. i said feet. You can see them poking out amongst all the twisted metal and carbon fiber.

these are pics i was sent by a source in canada and they really do tell a very graphic story about Kubicas crash.. what is most amazing about these shots is that he managed to survive it because the car literally exploded into thousands of pieces upon impact with him strapped into it just like a bomb strapped to a suicidal maniacs chest... if you look closely you will see his feet perilously close to getting severed as they were literally visible in the photo and coming out of the monocoque. how he came away with only a sprained ankle is literally a miracle...

You call that cute..i call you deluded. Yamamba make me vomit on the spot...talk about fecked up..

Why yes...Hari Kiri all the way.. i wonder. Why is it that Japanese D1 drivers dont use v8's? its not like they cant make a more than decent donk...i know Orido uses a 6 in the supra ofcourse as do many others in other cars but not an 8... I also wonder what kind of reception a V8 powered soarer would get in DA... i honestly think aussies would go as far as to say " thats not a V8..its japanese. Its not a REAL V8." ffs...and anyway, Drift isnt about the size of the package in japan and it never has been. Just look how the Hachi Roku decimates everyone in the right hands.. Its a shame that australian idealisms dictate that the bigger the better and will pay according to who has the bigger donk..which is utter horse-crunch if you ask me.

steve what are you on about? you seem to forget F1 is one of, if not almost , THE biggest and richest sport in the world. last time i checked F1 was motorsport... AFL is a drop in the ocean compared to it. Drift in australia cannot grow if it keeps up with the bullshit arrogant attitudes i always see and whoever made the comment about presentation was spot on and that the majority of drivers and cars look like someone dragged them from the shed out back after years of neglect and decided to see if the stuff still fit. Drivers should wear proper racing suits and full face helmets. seeing them in a polo and a stack hat was insulting. No ones going to take the sport seriously, rather laugh at it when it tries to act tough. Taking your analogy one or perhaps 20 steps further Steve, this bumbling, pant crapping ankle biter actually told me to "fork orf or ill cave your ed' in!" i was "this" close to backhanding the runt across the room but thought better of it because his beer guzzling, V8 loving, wife beater of a father was within spitting distance. And all the dirty bastard did was lift his tinnie at the boy and say "chip off the ol' block arent ya, mate?" i promptly left the room and the country, in fact, in total disgust...

check this out for insanity.. these things were never meant for THIS much power...

Rezz, you make some very valid and insightful points but you are forgetting some others that are just as valid. Is not Australia a country that is made up of other "countries"? And is not japan part of that mix? Do we not have Mitsubishi factories in Oz? Is not the japanese car brand to thank in part ( begrudgingly ) for some of australias positive jobs rate and economic stability? Is not toyota the second top car seller in the country? Please dont try and be nationalistic and dare i say it patriotic when it comes to your argument. You cannot ignore your roots and that is surely the case when it comes to the good old V8 but the same argument applies when australians try to embrace drift with its roots firmly in japan. A student will NEVER be better than the master but through training and diligence, the student can become LIKE the master, knowing all he knows and being able to do all he does. ( a very old proverb ) I dont want arrogance taking over Rezz. Do i need point you back to the bitch fights that stem from V8 supercars and the fact the mass media encourages them due to an overwhelming desire from the general public to witness them?? You tell me of a time you EVER heard or saw a public SPAT between rival Japanese teams IN PUBLIC. You know as well as i do that people over here dont air their dirty laundry in public. Its a lesson australians in motorsport and in general life would do well to learn. like i said. Worse than springer or just like it. what is it about aussies that love to see a fight? literally speaking an unfounded purile illegitimate reason to spite the other in order to insight angst and indifference. Australia needs to clean up its bloody image ON track before any "upstanding" run of the mill citizen will take to it in a different light. Again, it comes down to respect. People will give respect where it is due and expect it in kind. Otherwise they just wont bother. where does aussie motorsport stand on this front?

sorry to put in my 3rd post in aminute but you, fineline, have it summed up to a T. Its what i have observed too, and not just from within australia but also with the understanding of how it works where i live now, Tokyo, Japan. you should see it over here mate. You would definitely change your view on drift and how it CAN be presented.

sorry Bam R33...you beat me to it...i was too focussed on the obvious to see that you had already asked the question..

is that with their heritage,roots and responsibilities firmly in mind notwithstanding what you have mentioned as an inhibiting factor? what is your view of the media coverage and overall attitude of the sport? By the way, URAS is a Japanese brand. It seems you have made contacts. Are they of Japanese origin? I am asking this because your "distributors" are not exactly the kinds of places i would associate with top level drift performance upgrades. Please understand i say this whilst living in Tokyo and my view may be biased depending on your take. Going back to your statement, why is it that Australia doesnt have the track support? what exactly are you referring to?

and has the same social standing too i guess you will venture. remember, guns and cars kill people...

oh boy. Listen. D1 is ALL about a few corners. Its not just smoke and angle although the damned commentators will garbage on about it " wow look at the angel on that and what about the smoke!".... they have no other words in their vocabulary to describe why the drift was good. Its the chasing cars perogative to get as close to the bumper and up inside of the car in front and show as much aggressive style as possible. The closer he or she is, the better of he'll or she'll be on points. Have you ever been to a D1 event? At Fuji speedway theyd come hammering down a short straight ands throw it in at over 180kph and then drift through a double apex corner and then disappear up and around the next left hander. That was it, but ill be damned it was HOT.

he was murdering beavers...

thats very true but I think there are people already within the sport who have the ability and nous to take it to the next level but it wont happen without japanese support. That has to come from manufacturers. There have been people living in japan that have returned to oz after visiting and being in touch with the drift scene over here but all i see them doing is damaging the sports reputations. They know who they are. I watched a round of Oz drift via a download and i couldnt believe the "anger" and " arrogance " that i noticed from drivers as well as media representatives, To compare for comparisons sake, The japanese playfully poke and prod each other and its always part of the show and the action. Its comic, lighthearted and funny and i never get that impression when watching aussie guys drift or speak into the microphone.. why is that? Its supposed to be fun. D1 guys only take things seriously inside the car and only when the action has started. Ive met many of them and even in public they are composed, affable, and completely free of conceitedness. I really wish i would feel those things for aussie drift and motorsport in general. I got SO sick of V8 supercars. The trash talk, the bloody show where they had them bitching at each other..it was worse than a damned jerry springer show! Is that what people want to see the best drivers in australia doing? man how i wish attitudes would change there....

i placed this in the S.A section but i wanted to make this a general address.. Ive been thinking about this a bit and since i love the sport as much as the next man i felt the need to state my opinion. I guess my goal is to try and foster some dialog here so comments are more than welcome. cheers. YESTERDAY ..... "I feel the need to clarify what i was trying to say out of frustration in previous posts and in that i wasnt trying to offend anyone who loves or is involved in drift in any way shape or form. if i have offended anyone i apologize but allow me to explain my train of thought.. In japan,for example, Drift is a family event. Ive seen women and children, children young enough to still be sucking at a teat at D1 events.. Its a family day out over here! is it like that in Oz, or would you just like it to be? In Japan, drifters are revered, respected and held in high esteem so much so they are immortalized in videos, manga, cartoons and print. Think Initial D for crying out loud. EVERYONE young and old in Japan knows that title. wouldnt that be the dream of australian drift i wonder...at least to be associated with that stigma? In Japan, Drifters have a place in society and they are accepted to a certain degree by not just the public but the racing fraternity at large. Not only are they accepted, but they are admired and embellished with praise by the mass media and that speaks volumes. Its a shame, a real shame the australian government ( and im not going to get political on any other point besides this ) holds such a dim and ignorant view on what is in reality a variation of the artform of driving but there are legitimate and understandable reasons for this.. One of my questions is that is there that much negativity surrounding the sport in general in Australia that is preventing it from becoming a fully-fledged and respected motorsport? And yet, that is exactly what it is in Australia...fledgling and mis understood. Questions must be asked. Put aside my ideas on what is accepted or shunned upon when it comes to choice of sponsor, colour etc ( or lack thereof ), or choice of ride.. yet even then, i cant remember the last time i saw a drift FD or FC in an Oz event even though they are so common over here.. and its not like theres a shortage of them. Im digressing. In my humble and honest opinion Oz drift has a long way to grow and its no good trying to build it up while simultaneously ignoring the roots. Its like sticking a tropical plant in the desert and telling the bastard to grow which is ironically what is happening over there... I know what the sport needs and its not even over the money. That is secondary. Its an image and within that image is respect. Unfortunately the public at large and media more importantly again, holds a very negative view of drift and its not without its merits...Young people either lack the wisdom or knowledge to respect the fact that they have a legitimate and understandable reason to nurture this sport in Australia and sad to say have taken it upon themselves whether anyone else cares or not to do what they please with it thereby destroying any good will built up through those that promote the sport in a positive and meaningful way. If Australia is serious about the sport and it seems the crowd of admirers is growing, then it needs to realize that "unacceptable" behaviour will not be tolerated and thank heavens the same applies to this forum too. Im not surprised it doesnt, it is Australia after all and Australians that admire drift because it is what it is, need to remember what is accepted over here is accepted because of a very bloody good reason..the word starts with a letter "R". Failing that as is often the case from my limited understanding from what i have read, experienced and understand of motorsport and Ozzie motorsport in general, there will obviously be non acceptance. The sport needs mentors, Senpai ( people who are senior to you and deserve respect but not within arrogance or indifference ) who are willing to champion the sport for the good of those who love it. This is the anti thesis of competition, money, arrogance, ignorance, conceitedness and all the evil it breeds with it. Unfortunately and sad to say there are too many egos, moneymakers, and ignorants and not enough leaders, disciplinarians, spokesmen and shining lights in Oz drift to make that happen...at least for now.. And least of all because of my uneducated opinion. Thanks for reading the thesis. cheers. "

! sorry to have taken so much of your time..

i feel the need to clarify what i was trying to say out of frustration in previous posts and in that i wasnt trying to offend anyone who loves or is involved in drift in any way shape or form. if i have offended anyone i apologize but allow me to explain my train of thought.. In japan,for example, Drift is a family event. Ive seen women and children, children young enough to still be sucking at a teat at D1 events.. Its a family day out over here! is it like that in Oz, or would you just like it to be? In Japan, drifters are revered, respected and held in high esteem so much so they are immortalized in videos, manga, cartoons and print. Think Initial D for crying out loud. EVERYONE young and old in Japan knows that title. wouldnt that be the dream of australian drift i wonder...at least to be associated with that stigma? In Japan, Drifters have a place in society and they are accepted to a certain degree by not just the public but the racing fraternity at large. Not only are they accepted, but they are admired and embellished with praise by the mass media and that speaks volumes. Its a shame, a real shame the australian government ( and im not going to get political on any other point besides this ) holds such a dim and ignorant view on what is in reality a variation of the artform of driving but there are legitimate and understandable reasons for this.. One of my questions is that is there that much negativity surrounding the sport in general in Australia that is preventing it from becoming a fully-fledged and respected motorsport? And yet, that is exactly what it is in Australia...fledgling and mis understood. Questions must be asked. Put aside my ideas on what is accepted or shunned upon when it comes to choice of sponsor, colour etc ( or lack thereof ), or choice of ride.. yet even then, i cant remember the last time i saw a drift FD or FC in an Oz event even though they are so common over here.. and its not like theres a shortage of them. Im digressing. In my humble and honest opinion Oz drift has a long way to grow and its no good trying to build it up while simultaneously ignoring the roots. Its like sticking a tropical plant in the desert and telling the bastard to grow which is ironically what is happening over there... I know what the sport needs and its not even over the money. That is secondary. Its an image and within that image is respect. Unfortunately the public at large and media more importantly again, holds a very negative view of drift and its not without its merits...Young people either lack the wisdom or knowledge to respect the fact that they have a legitimate and understandable reason to nurture this sport in Australia and sad to say have taken it upon themselves whether anyone else cares or not to do what they please with it thereby destroying any good will built up through those that promote the sport in a positive and meaningful way. If Australia is serious about the sport and it seems the crowd of admirers is growing, then it needs to realize that "unacceptable" behaviour will not be tolerated and thank heavens the same applies to this forum too. Im not surprised it doesnt, it is Australia after all and Australians that admire drift because it is what it is, need to remember what is accepted over here is accepted because of a very bloody good reason..the word starts with a letter "R". Failing that as is often the case from my limited understanding from what i have read, experienced and understand of motorsport and Ozzie motorsport in general, there will obviously be non acceptance. The sport needs mentors, Senpai ( people who are senior to you and deserve respect but not within arrogance or indifference ) who are willing to champion the sport for the good of those who love it. This is the anti thesis of competition, money, arrogance, ignorance, conceitedness and all the evil it breeds with it. Unfortunately and sad to say there are too many egos, moneymakers, and ignorants and not enough leaders, disciplinarians, spokesmen and shining lights in Oz drift to make that happen...at least for now.. And least of all because of my uneducated opinion. Thanks for reading the thesis. cheers.

oh come on, man! do you seriously believe that? Im TELLING you and I LIVE here... Ive been driving with some of them...im FROM adelaide!!! Take my word for it. If the sport is serious it needs a high profile lift to help discard the "backyard" image it has created for itself.. Drifting in Japan is an ACCEPTED part of society. In australia its for hoons and loons. Do yourself a favour if you dont believe the insight and experience of others.. come over here and see it for yourself.

or get rides with them as i and a friend of mine have done and youll experience it first hand... you cannot compare Japanese talent to australian talent...sorry if it offends but theres no one in oz that can compare. Not even the self proclaimed Godfather of drift... man Keiichi Tsuchiya laughed when i told him there was a guy with that title in Australia.

i think theres some talent but others have made valid points about there being no backing except for a few random sponsors and tyre companies. None of the big Japanese name tuning houses that most of the competitors use for parts are even interested and that speaks volumes. Theres no interest in the aussie scene over here. The guys that ive seen on the street would cream ( no offense ) the scene there in Oz...its a shame really that its still a very underestimated form of motorsport there... On top of that, some who will remain nameless at this point have come over here and severely damaged aussie rep in regards to drift and by and large motorsport in japan.. plus no on in their right minds would think of using a liberty for a serious drift car, or a R31 for that matter...as an example..