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I still think these cars are really transformers from cybertron./....,./_;

Well, you could argue that the whole team was involved but we will never truly know will we>? I honestly cant say with any confidence that LH was at the centre of it. Im sure of that much. FA and PD were involved - they admitted as much because they were given amnesty. Remember Max "The whip" Mosley threatened them with sanctions should they choose not to speak up?

Roy, i was talking about being involved in McLaren gate. LH had none of the emails that were being passed back and forth between FA and PD. I wasnt talking about their racing feuds. Yes, they both had hands to play but why FA thought LH was a threat should have been obvious by the way he was getting hosed by a rookie. l The last time that happened was with JV and even he, with all the talk of a tough guy - outspoken, controversial, middle finger pointed at more than one person - even he ended up WDC,,,

Eh?? he retired didnt he? DNF...? yeah! his engine blew... whats going on there..?

yeah.. wierd. Wjy has KR got 35 and FM 34?>??? Here...look. http://www.planetf1.com/drivers/standings/0,19076,,00.html

My point exactly Ivan. Its pretty ignorant of us to not look behind LH and see that Mercedes and RD were watching him all along. They spoke to AH and bobs your uncle - a deal was struck placing LH firmly in their fold. The rest didnt excatly take care of itself either...If LH was a dud behind the wheel, not even the best machinery on the planet couldve helped him... Peeps gotta quit hatin on Hammo coz Merc and RD knew he had da Goodz/../_

I have a question. How is it that KR and FM have both won 1 race, finished 2nd twice and 3rd twice and yet KR has 35 points and FM has 34 points..???

Eh? Whos brisby? And where can i find that post? I dont even remember it... Choice or accident?

lol, I was only answering ya rant like i said i wud Ive got to watch the race again. I watched live timing and the japanese broadcasting but thise guys are even worse that ITV... Its like the only people in the GP are either Japanese drivers or Japanese manufacturers. They NEVER mention Webber - pisses me right off. Youre spot on Roy when you said that luck plays a part in any WDC. Everyone of those bastards has to have a little and lose a little. Its all fair game.

Mark, what the feck are you on about in this paragraph? The first two? fair game but this... Both MS and AS binned their cars faster than a homeless man on a can run on countless occasions and deliberately took people out like a mafia hitman going into KFC... Listen. What kid hasnt been "engineered" when it comes to racing? They all have. How hard is it for you to understand that Ron bloody Dennis saw this before anyone else did? Youre basically saying RD doesnt know shit from clay. Not very cool. How long has he been scalping the best drivers? RD has always ONLY had the best drivers in his cars. Period. No driver i can think of has ever gotten a Mac seat by paying for it. Again, you'd be 30 seconds off the pace if even should you have the Mac to yourself for a few laps. Dude, give these guys some credit. They have all been "engineered" to some degree. I'm not going to hate on Hammo because RD saw his shit before he even sprouted his first pube.

Lol, Dezz your on the money but unfortunately as teh old Bernster said "KR will never be a great champion because he doesnt talk enough!" ROFLMFAO. And Alonso? Weeeelllll... lets go back a season when he Blackmailed RD and the mac team... not to mention him facilitating the reasoning behind Macs super fine. Alonso dug his own grave and now, justly, hes going to spend a couple of seasons in mediocrity... F1 pergatory if you will. Im sure hes learnt a tough lesson but he deserved it. LH on the other hand had absolutely nothing to do with the internal politiking going on...he was too green to know any better. Yes they both won WDC and i was stoked for them both in my own way but theyve done other things that have taken the gloss off. Fairs fair Dezz. lol, i was so stoked to meet Alonso and i still would be stoked if we met again but i know about him differently now...not like it would come up tho.. hes capable of some pretty dirty moves..

Webbos got a habit of getting on or near the poduim in Monaco hasnt he>? That speaks its own volumes. Damn i hope RB get their shit together... Webbo was saying after quali that the car simply wasnt fast enough...and itll be a little kick in the teeth for those in the factories because hes saying "Im fast enough - you can see that by the way ive qualified this mediocre RB in the top ten yet again tand im ringing the bastards neck but the car isnt up to it. Give me more speed." Well put actually.

Your right James and im not going to try and guess what he meant when he said those things... I dont hear the same things you do..is it because im blown away by the way hes just walked right in and pwned the shit out of everyone? Dunno. I guess im not reading the tabloids enough... Cmon, when was the last time we have seen this? I cant remember. I prefer to listen less to what the driver says and focus a lot more on what he does.

lol, i dont hate KR..i just didnt expect him to lose it in the dry....MS a few years back anyone? Lol, at least the safety car wasnt involved! It was Heidfeld by the way. Yeah that was dumb of Alonso. It was like he couldve stopped but just did it anyway? Brain fade anyone? That allowed Webber to get through but did you see Webber tag Alonso with his front wing> Bloody hell it was close. If MW had to come in a for a new front wing it woulda ben curtains for 4th as it was.

slapping a wall on your own is fine...you know. Taking out another driver with a missle is not... hence my frustration with KR. By the way, whether we hate him or love im, The way LH put 40 seconds on Massa was ridiculous. I watched the whole live timing and the way he banged in fastest sectors was wicked. Webber also blazed some fastest laps as did Sutil of all people but im sure that was tyre gambling more than anything else...

lol, wheres the cheeze? Ahhh,.. now thats more like it. Cartier takes great shots...

All right.. well "to end all Noob moves" was too strong. Im not gonna defend Hamiltons mistake either..actually i dont know what brought it on...was that LH's Mac that slid right into the wall at the swimming pool? In any case, He didnt put another driver out of the race and thats a completely different ball of wax.

It broke my heart to see Sutil like that. Its not every day you see a tail end battler ripping up the big guns...and it was great stuff to watch/ I watched his onboard and he was silky smooth even in those conditions. That one lap removed all doubt about his skillz in teh wet - and hes a deft hand at this Monaco business. remember last year in Practice - faster than anyone. In stark contrast, so many of the other onboards showed drivers spinning it up, sliding sideways but AS was clean and controlled. I like. KR right now...i dont like.

lol, but he does have a point and ill be the first to admit id LOVE to be "spoon fed" towards a drive like that... Ive never had teh moneyz... :)

S'all good Dezz...Im not hatin on your love for FA, KR and FM... I like em too but damn theyve also made some stupid stupid mistakes and we should be impartial.. Well..at least try to be...

lol, im sure you could if you tried but the pooch wouldnt agree with you.

Dezz was saying if we were all "spoon fed" like LH was - not that i agree with that - ( you could very well say then that everyone in the Red Bull driver program is "spoon fed" ) then we'd all be capable of the same. Thats why i brought it up BB.

Dont hate on me for liking the guy! I cant stand the way they bang on about LH either! He is NOT Senna and the comparison is ridiculous...i completely agree.

Dezz, Again, its coming down to driver personality. lol, KR in a strip club, falling off a boat plastered...just the kind of role model everyone needs when theyre growing up... KR's mistake was the stuff of Noobs. Its NOT the kind of mistake we expect to see from a WDC. Im surprised Sutil didnt deck Raikkonen for being such a dick. MS on TS at Spa anyone? TS deserved that whack across the head for being such a twit and wrecking both their races. Why dont we start calling KR a crasher? Ofcourse i saw LH put it in the wall. Yes it was lucky he got out of that. You cant take the win away from him and theres only one thing thats better than a guy winning Monaco and that a guy who does it in the wet and that after putting it in the wall at the start of the race. He drove a great race. Cmon, give credit where credit is due. For you to even suggest that we would be capable of the same feats is laughable.

Right. You guys are beyond it. Raikkonnen IS a f**king noob. It was one of the dumbest things hes ever done- and hes done a LOT of dumb things - Mr world champion stuffed his Ferrari into the back of poor old Sutils car because he f**king lost the thing. Oh suuure, REAL WDC qualities there... I dont hear anyone crying for his blood...but i am. Bloody arrogant bastard. If it was the other way around Ferrari would have been squealing like stuck cops. Where are all the KR haters? Alonso also dropped it, not only in the race on 2 separate occasions but also binned that shitbox renault in practice. Where are the FA hates? Nope. Youre all hammo haters. Everyone in the paddock agrees Raikkonen administered a noob maneuver to end all his noob maneuvers... Mike gascoyne said it BEST. "While the German later spoke phlegmatically of the "disappointment", Mike Gascoyne, the team's Technical Director, bitterly condemned the World Champion's driving. "Raikkonen always looked like doing stupid and in the end he did," the 'Rottweiler' barked. "If that was the other way around, and it was a little Force India driver hitting the World Champion, then he would be facing a one- or two-race ban. We've asked the stewards to take a look and act accordingly." " The thing that pisses me off most about KR's and Ferraris nonchalance is the fact that that may well be F.I's only chance EVER to get a point and the "WDC", with all the elegance of a sledgehammer, f*kin robbed them of it. Well done. At least, by some sweet justice, KR left with a big fat ZERO and Hammo took the lot. Now LH is back in the lead. Just racing?? Bullshit. You can bet your top dollar that had F.I. done that to Ferrari, they wouldve been caned. Now...im all warmed up after that... First of all, you bash Hamilton because he landed the best seat in the paddock without your idea of doing it tough. LOFL, you guys think youre actually capable of doing the things he does. Alright then chaps, seeing as its so easy for you to bash the guy - and remember hes only 22 - it should be just as f**king easy for you to drive the car as well as he does. Secondly, you are all focusing on the fact that you dont like his personality. Who gives a shit what his personality is like? If youre into that sort of thing, go watch days of our lives or something. When teh helmet goes on, all the bullshit stops. You wanna hate on the guy when hes out of the cockpit. You wanna hate about his driving>> bring it. Im not gonna waste another minute of my time getting into discussions about his personality FFS. You wanna hate on the guy because ITV wants to blow him. Everyone in the world wants that to stop. Geez, talk about putting someone on a pedestal...but remember clearly, Its a pretty damn tough life to live when the media is building you up like that. When Hamilton moved to Switzerland to get away from the badgering press, All of f**king England cried foul. Lol, cant a guy get a moments peace>? I couldnt give two flying shits what you think of his "personality" tbch/// You wanna talk about his driving for a change?? Personalities is what gives us something to talk about sure, but thats garbage compared to what goes on on track...and im not one for gossip. Rant over.