very true but still time will fly like it did last time (and the title got everyone to read it ) we had a poor attempted to organise somthing like this, my day off is today (tues) heading into town to ask bout possible pricing to give an idea, both hoodie and jumper/jacket, we found last time every1 has different tastes, suggest we go with the design chosen in the voting blog ages ago? another competition wil take the same amount of time and yeh b4 we know it, other wise the subject wil be back at square 1 all over again and yeh