that does help chris thanks
but the problem with my place is that both sides of the house have quite a few large palm trees (that i want to get rid of anyway), both sides have a fence and a fair bit of concrete...
its not the work thats the problem but the lay of the land.
gonna have to pull some trees down first.
that last image, are those flex pipes tied in to your downpipes?
so who here is a tree lopper?