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Ah, several teams have had them stop and completely fail and been allowed to run alternate. RBR took teh sensor back to France and tested it on the bench with FIA witnessing then handed it over to FIA for their own testing. FIA chose not to test it. The sensors are faulty and do lose accuracy with multiple other teams on multiple occassions being allowed to use an offset. Those offsets may or may not be accurate....RBR thought the sensor was way off even after an offset. I look at Vettels performance in Bahrain and cant help but think he doesnt give that much away to Dan and other guys in combat. Why I wonder?!?!?! FI have had them fail, STR fail, Virgin not happy with the offset...saying that their tru performance has been hurt in two GPs and Bahrain was the first indication of the cars performance etc THEY ARE CRAP! But that all they have and the FIA have to be stick to their guns even if the sensros are affecting performance and places in GPs!!!!!!! So it dosnt matter if RBR was right...FIA cant allow teams to second guess them during a race. RBR shoudl have continued to argue with FIA during the race to get them to default to alternate means of measurement...not try to sort it out later. Its a process issue...not that RBR cheated.

Can you clarify what you mean with this post. The T67 uses the same 25G compressor. Only the turbine is different from a wheel perspective running L2 rear. There is nothing unreliable about the Greddy turbos. ...they ceank out power tear after year owner after owner...but oil quality and temp needs to ne looked after

You really think RBR were "cheating" or trying to when the FIA had live data? And yes...there have been two other team owners that I know if who know they are shagged but shrug their shoulders and say "tow the line in the interest of the sport"

CARNTS!!!!! Though predictable So i guess we see cars tank performance based on rol of dice, with viewers not knowing whether the driver is sucking on a given day or they are giving away 1.5-2% of power which is easily 12-15hp

"We respectfully submit that the most effective way to ensure that Red Bull do not flount further instructions from the FIA is for this court to recognise the severity of their infringement and to impose a further sanction upon them which is to be suspended for the rest of the season, so that they are acutely aware." Farking Mercdes. They got their QC straight out if their undergroung SS training school. Come in RBR!

And who the fark is Marco Mattiacci? Silly Ferrari!

Big mistake IMO for Ferrari to push/let him walk! Time for Dr Flav to get back on the scene anyway!

So whi is a gambling man. My money is on RBR winning...real test of the independence of the tribunal ..oh by win I mean found not to exceed the fuel flow limit...from there how the politics plays out will be interesting. Reading some various resports to the letter of the law RBR shoudl be ok...but the intent and spirit...and egg on FIAs face...umm...will be interesting

UMERICA---FARK YEH! Should be interesting. Building a team up from scratch...real question will be whose engine? Honda? Surly not Fezz. Have they ever supplied good customer engines?

I think Pastor is recognised as being fast...just not all that clever. And I think you will find that Romain would destroy him in a car that actually worked and was relaible. Give them 6 months and hopefully the car is at least Q3 worthy and see if we can judge the relative pace of them

I think it was a similar case with Magnussen on Kimi where the Fezz on old tyres under brakes caught him out with how slow it was and did a bit of swerve off track to avoid collision.

Not one to defend Seb but... http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/9253910/Seb-Has-Obligations-as-Champ Would so love to see Montoya, Alonso, DC and others kick the snot out of him in a ring. I would pay money for that.

I think that was the messiest move I have seen him do in the 3 years he has been in F1. Not a bad record, espeically when in the move on Kimi you cant help but think with his fresh tyres and pace part of the problem was just how slow Kimi was when he arrived at corner entry and Kimi was still there. It appears Vettel's car hasnt been running in the sweet spot that Dan's car has so will be interesting mid season when the cars are free of those little dramas that rob one or the other of those tenths lap after lap how they go. So far was impressed by Vettels maturity in letting Dan pass when ordered to. Actually was shocked he moved out of the way within a few corners

...but it did. When Dan pulled a nice move on Vettel then resisted Vettels attempts to get backl past whilst Dan was trying to get the job done on Hulk just in front of him. There was probably less than 2m between each of the three cars in breaking areas!

So happy to start reading apologies from those saying Dan was the cop=out option for a safe no.2

So all those guys were hanging sh1t on Dan and RBR for picking a clear No.2 vs Kimi? Dan is showing a lot of class for a young guy with pressure on him. Has not put a step wrong in first 3 races

Shit...completely forgot about being a night race now! That is sh1t. Means Webber will coem last as he always goes hopeless there and sucks at night Old habits die hard

This comes despite Red Bull estimating the sensor it had on its car in Melbourne was fluctuating by up to two per cent - which had a theoretical implication on laptime of three quarters of a second. Fabrice Lom, who is head of the FIA's powertrain department, said: "We accept plus or minus 0.5 per cent [accuracy]. Even at 0.5% thats still 0.185sec a lap from a silly meter error...oh and thats on the low side...if another car has a meter reading +.5% then they get 3/10 sec on you per lap. Retarded situation for F1 to be in ...and for that matter Lotus Seems losing Eric and other engineering staff is hurting the teams ability to stay focussed and just resolve issues strategically...rather they seem to be in a rather confused state and not getting any better GUTTED Oh well, Romain to McLaren next year

Its a joke. No doubt Dan having another new meter installed yeserday could be polotics...but... "We know Toro Rosso had two failures this morning. Sergio Perez's sensor failed for the entirety of the race and others were given other readings." Right or wrong re process in Melb...go RBR for bashing FIA over the head over this cluster fark. All the F1 teams do a rather stellar job getting 15 cars to the finish line in Melb and an FIA part is the root of stupidity and performance differentiators.

Talk is RBR are the best on the long runs for pace. But who knows what people are doing for engine power. Talk was RBR are losing 0.8sec down the straights!

LOL...awesome! Cant believe how little traffic you have. I shat myself as I left the pits in the Swift. I thought it was going to roll over on him at speed if I clipped a kerb but was actually an amazing little car!

Half expect RBR are willing to fall on the sword early and bring the BS out in the open. I hear what you are saying about others obeying...but for all we know RBR may have been the worst example being asked to forfeit 4% power vs lesser amounts for others cars. It matters little, the fact that many cars were all winding back performance, likely to all differing levels then why even have qualifying or practice sessions. Just have a raffle and fit random flow meters to the cars and watch them jockey for position in a race as the FIA tell them to slow down or allow them to speed up all on different levels ...retarded. I am no fan of RBR...but good on them for busing balls over this now and hopefully we will avoid the farce of inaccurate instruments hurting a percentage of th efields performance over a race weekend, because....lotter dip of erroneous sensors says so

My money is on a very strong weekend by Williams. They generally go alright around there and then fall off the face of the planet until the end of the year. Will be very interesting to see the racing as there are plenty of overtaiking opportunities at Sepang

OH wait there is more...from a vested party of course! Speaking exclusively to AUTOSPORT, Horner said: "Technical directives are not of regulatory value." "They are the opinion of the technical delegate - as was made clear in the Pirelli case [the Mercedes secret test], which clearly stated that opinions of Charlie are not regulatory "It [them being opinions] is even stated on the bottom of the directives now, that these do not have a regulatory value."

So just like stewards saying tuned mass dampers were legal and then the FIA over turned their own stewards at the ICA.. So is that like being found innocent only to have an appeal at the higher body overturn anything decided by race stewards. Like I said, stewards can be over ruled....technical directives can be ruled to be correct but so can another interpretation of the technical regulations and the ICA have the final word AND thats it from me....I know I am right...doesnt matter what you think Webber is running the Porsche at Silverstone this week...may not even bother with washed out Malaysian race oh...and just read Hrner interview on James Allens site... http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2014/03/red-bulls-horner-confident-that-team-will-get-melbourne-points-back-at-appeal/ “We are appealing on the grounds that we are extremely confident that we have not broken the rules, that we haven’t exceeded the 100kg/hour of fuel that is permitted to be utilised by the car and the engine,” he said. “Our whole case is on the fact of which reading is correct. We have a [FIA] sensor that is drifting and isn’t reading correctly versus a fuel rail that we know is calibrated and we know that hasn’t varied throughout the weekend. We haven’t broken the Technical Regulations. That we haven’t exceeded the fuel flow limit and that the sensor, which hopefully we will be able to demonstrate in the appeal, is erroneous.” Although Technical Directives – the secretive documents issued by the FIA to teams to clarify and update interpretations of rules on complex technical areas – are considered by many F1 teams to supersede the technical regulations, Horner said that his team doesn’t see them that way, that they are more of an “opinion”. The role of Technical Directives in governing F1 will be tested at the appeal hearing. I dont like their chances either but I have read a few SKKY journos, Gary Anderson etc talk about how grey technical directives. Lowden also questioned that its more practice and in the sports interest to follow the directives rather than legal and if challenged could be a dangerous ruling for F1