I like kens thinking, perhaps on another idea we, affilliate ourselves with a cams affilliated club, so that everyone who joins this club joins that club too. If that makes sense. I get from the posts in this thread that people just want a bit more formality about the club, we could start having agms and monthly meetings, but anything more then that would be as ken puts it, a headbonk. though i could see this not doing enough to make our could be sponsors happy.