Gibbo_R35

I have got my consignment number for the shipment, within 14 days also....cannot wait.

I must say that all this pricing talk is more than a bit un-nerving. I will get it all in writing after my sales person finishes his GTR training over the next 5 days. I have not and will not sign the new 11 page waiver, I will certainly not be paying $250 an hour for servicing. Before I hear all this...well that is what you get for buying a supercar.... I have owned prestige cars, I know what BMW charge for servicing, I know what Mercedes charge. I based my forecasts of the Nissan on 911 pricing, I figured that would be fair enough. I expected $800- $1200 for a regular service....however not after every track day and not after their crappy oil reaches over 120 degrees. The absurdity in all of this is that currently it is speculation, if someone has it in writing then great post it. The facts are this: All new vehicles have a 12 month statuatory warranty (or 20,000km), as long as genuine parts are used and the car is serviced in accordance with the manufacturer's specification then Nissan can take their $250.00 an hour and shove it. Regardless of any waiver they get you to sign, you cannot waive your statuatory rights. That includes the new car warranty. After the 12 months you then come to the manufacturers warranty, this is where they can stipulate certain things, especially if you have signed the waiver. If anyone gets anything in writing please post it, I will do what I can when I talk to the dealer next week.

I know about your history with the GTR, I know you own one, I know you track one....my gripe is not against the car, I know the limitations of tyres, I know the limitations of brake pads, I have tracked cars (Mainly for fun mind you) for the last 10 years. I know from the NOW RELEASED specs that GTR is not a Race Car, however my gripe is the following: Nissan have marketed the car as a car for the road and track, their web site and all the marketing guff states this pretty clearly. (Lets forget about the actual specs for just this moment) I put down a deposit almost 18 months ago, I signed a formal order about 6 months ago. I explained very clearly what I intend to do with the car, at this point Nissan did not say one word. It is only now that they have decided oh wait our final Australian specs are not suitable for proper tracking of the car, lets throw in a product waiver. Not only will we throw in a waiver, we will then void your warranty if you try to change those things that make this car unsuitable for tracking. Not just void the warranty on those parts or faults caused by those parts. My argument is not that the GTR is a racecar...it is certainly no GT3, that is designed to be used for all manner of Motor sports, the GTR is marketed as a car that you could drive to work on Friday and then take it to a drive day on Saturday. It is not for Motorkana's, it is not for hillclimbs, it is not for rally's, it is however marketed as a car suitable for recreational track use. This is what pi$$es me off, Nissan markets the car as one thing but then tells you...oh by the way...all those claims we made about 0-100 times, all that great potential the car has for the track and that we publicised as it's strengths...if you do any of these things then your warranty is void. I will ensure that I will carry a GTR brochure around with me at all times...hell knows it will be the only proof that I have of this car's true potential because as soon as you try to do the real thing, then poof.....there goes your warranty.

Martin, Where do I get my information...well obviously I should have asked you because from your posts to date you are a self proclaimed expert on all things track and GTR. Well done we should all aspire to your dizzying heights of knowledge and wisdom. Maybe I based my post on the vast publicity and emphasis that Nissan put on their Nurburging lap times in both the wet and dry, the fact that the image when waiting for the GTR site to load is a race track. The fact that they claim it is "The Supercar for anywhere, anytime" ...oh anywhere except the track. They also claim under the tyres: "Are specifically designed for high speed driving around the race track" Their claims of how it performs and corners on the track at upto 300km/h. Feel free to have a read of all their claims and multiple references to track use and performance on their own website. http://www.nissangtr-au.com/en/web_GTR/GT-...d=1&subid=1 You are right...jeez where did I get my information from. You own a R35 then great, You track it, even better...if you actually race it as well, then fantastic....but really your opinions matter little on what you think is a stupid question asked by other posters. We are discussing the extra paperwork that Nissan has sprung on purchasers and new requirements for track cars. Just for the record, Nissan has provided track advanaced driving days for 350z owners in the past as part of their purchase package, Mazda did the same thing for the RX-8 both manufacturers covered cars for warranties on the track days and subsequent days they ran. I will repeat the main point from my last post....I agree that warranties should be void for Vehicle abuse, however for track use (DO NOT READ RACE USE)...when clearly this is what the strength of this car is and what it is publiscised for by both Nissan and subsequently the media, then I believe that their about face and the requirement to sign a waiver is completely unreasonable. Agree with my comment or not...personally I don't care...however I am sure that other people who actually are buying or intend to buy a GTR here in Australia should be made aware of all the little extras that Nissan are raising, because they sure as hell did not make any of this known when orders were being place and if as you say it was never intended as a track car, well then they should have had off of this in the first waiver they got us to sign a couple of months back. But hey what do I know.....

I have done plenty of Track Days, Skid Pan days etc. I even told the sales rep of this when I signed my order, however not once was a mention made of ...Oh by the way...no warranty on the track. I am sick of having the goal posts moved. I do not mind a no warranty for vehicle abuse, however track use is not vehicle abuse....especially when the car is marketed the way it is. I understand if I am buying a commodore and it breaks on the track...because that is not what it was built for....however a GTR was built for the track...it was designed to beat the 911 Turbo on the track....so don't now tell me that this car was deigned for one thing...but now please do not use it for that. Oh well....anyone want to buy a GTR ...white etc in about 3 - 4 weeks.

Yep I got an explanation on this last week, the warranty is void whist you are tracking the car. They inspect for faults before going on the track, they then inspect after you finish to ensure there aren't any. Your warranty then resumes. Your warranty does not resume until after your after track inspection. Once again another surprise that Nissan springs after you order the car. Nissan GTR, the every day super car that is designed to beat the Porsche Turbo....but don't drive it fast, or take it to the track, or launch it because we will not cover it. I am getting a little jack of this, everytime I go back to the dealer they spring something else on me. Why build a track car and then not cover anything. I have not signed anything yet...wonder what happens if I refuse to. This was not part of the original contract for sale.

I have a meeting with my dealer this afternoon, I have been told that my car will be here by the end of this month or at the very beginning of April. Counting down the days...will post an update this afternoon.

Same, production tracking number but no VIN yet.

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Their cool and uncoll is not to be taken seriously, last night at the show they put the Aston Martin DB9 in uncool and the new Lambo in the same category, the lambo was put there because Clarkson owned one and as such made it instantly uncool. Don't take it so seriously...they don't.

Nope Macarthur at Campbelltown. Give the dealer a call and enquire. Cheers

We must all be lucky, because that is the exact message I got yesterday. They are only shipping 8 in the first month instead of the original 16 is what I was told. Hmmm...maybe we should all go buy lottery tickets...seing we are so lucky and all.

When I attend the live show of Top Gear in Sydney next week I will be sure to print out the entire thread and submit it to them......that'll teach em. I am sure that they care as much about our feedback as we do about their opinion on which cars we buy. If I listened to every wanker in a Cardigan as to which car to buy then I would have bought a Porsche and not the GTR. Cheers

This is the exact thing I looked at...GTR, Porsche or Aston Martin.....For Sex appeal the Aston Martin was it, for a trackable car that could be used as an every day driver and that was value for money...the GTR. When you look at money for return the GTR is really the only choice. All the people that are saying Porsche is better......as a car when money is not any part of the equation....then I would say yes....however dollar for dollar if you choose Porsche over the GTR...then there is a definate reason why this thread will be the closest you actually get to making that decision.

Motor vehicle sale contracts can not be enforced for a price rise. Fair trading dictaes: Variations and price rises When a contract is formed to purchase any goods the conditions of the agreement, including the price, are agreed upon. Neither party has the right to vary any of these conditions without the approval of the other party. Often consumers will contact Fair Trading after having signed for the purchase of a new car only to be told by the dealer that there has been a factory increase in price. The order form that has been signed will generally cover this eventuality. It states if a consumer signs and agrees to pay a certain price they are not required to pay the increase. However, consumers cannot force the dealer to sell the vehicle at the order form price. They have the option to purchase at the new price or cancel the order This being said, Nissan could increase the price, but if they do then all bets are off and you can get out of the contract. This is also covered in the "Customer Agreement" form everyone signed before being able to order; Vehicle Sale Because availability of the Nissan GT-R may be limited, there is a potential that you will experience a delay between placing an order for a vehicle and taking receipt of it. Depending on the duration of the delay, it is possible that there may be changes in the specifications of your vehicle, or availability of colors and features, While there may be changes in final Recommended Retail Price (RRP) pricing of your vehicle, in accordance with state law your actual purchase price will be determined by your selling dealer and subject to your contract(s) with your selling dealer. Cheers, Gibbo

I think you will find that the contract for sale of motor vehicles are fixed price. The only variation that is permitted in the GTR sale is for LCT or other government taxes. There is no allowance for exchange rates or dealer price increases. I know my contract is fixed price except for taxes. The exchange rate against the yen can drop to 0.001 for all that matters on my buy price. It may even help resale. Cheers, Gibbo

Thanks for the heads up about the launch control guys, I did not realise the Evo had this feature, that does not really exist. Maybe you are right with the Aussie car, it will have launch control ....but it will be known as "fight club launch control".....first thing about "fight club launch control" is.... Cheers, Gibbo

Sorry I am little confused, how could: "We wish to clarify that the GTR destined for Australia does not have any form of launch control as a standard feature" be construed as anything but the GTR not coming with launch control.

Well here is is straight from the Nissan National Training Bulletin: NT 03/08 29th, October, 2008 TO: NHPC Dealers ATT: Dealer Principals, General Managers and Sales Managers RE: GT-R Media comments Ladies and gentleman, As you are aware the new Nissan GT-R has created a huge amount of interest among motoring magazines & journalists around the world and is being discussed and tested by many media outlets with fantastic reviews. Whilst many of the GT-R’s unique features have been highlighted and covered at great lengths there appears to be some persistent referral to “Launch Control” We wish to clarify that the GTR destined for Australia does not have any form of launch control as a standard feature. The use & descriptions of this type of procedure being outlined in the testing and reviews is not endorsed by Nissan and places huge forces on the driveline that can result in component failures which are not warrantable. We would also like to clarify that setting the VDC to “off” mode should only be carried out in accordance with the specific directions as outlined in the Owners Manual.to help free the vehicle if stuck in mud or snow. Please ensure that any queries from customers or prospects relative to “Launch Control” are addressed promptly and with reference to the above. Kind Regards, Slavko Kalenjuk Slavko Kalenjuk Manager – Customer Experience and Dealership Training I am thinking that if you turn VDC off and you are not freeing the vehicle from snow or mud...guess what...no warranty. What next???

Sorry no Dutton rally for me this year I will be in NZ, however next year I will be entering for the NSW leg. I guess time will tell for the GTR if reliability is an issue or not... I am kind of guessing that if something is going to break then I will be one of the first to do so, that is how y luck runs with cars sometimes. Cheers, Gibbo.

Thanks for the heads up, I too have ordered white, but no colour code on my order form. I have however got my production allocation number from the factory and when it comes on line I will check that out. Cheers, Gibbo

Hi Jess, It was good to meet you at the skid pan day. Don't worry it is not spreading further it is just I joined this forum like you suggested. The transmission issues have been with 3 US delivered cars and 1 Japanese car that I know of at this point. The warranty had been voided if the launch control had been used in excess of 3 times. I was very concerned with this and am actually glad that if there is a chance of voiding my warranty then take that feature away......but tell me before I buy it. In my opinion there is no flaw with the transmission, drivers just have to be aware that if you treat it badly it will break. There is a massive difference between driving something hard and thrashing it. If you think you are in a burnout competition or drive it like a quater mile dragster from every set of lights then you had better only expect the reliability those sort of cars get. I would not have bought the car if I thought it was a dud, value for money it is the best performance car on the market anywhere. Cheers, Gibbo

They look awful, but for a tracking option they may be a winner. I am not a big fan of the run flat 20's for the track....I would rather chew out the 18's.

I must say I did not buy the car for the launch control function, so that is kind of lucky, I bought it for track days and the occassional bit of rally fun. The dealer enformed me however that any timed event is regarded as a race and has the potential to void your warranty, this got to me because I intended to Dutton Rally it next year. I have told them that it had better not be speed limited either, they replied that this should not be an issue for the Asutralian cars. I guess time will tell, however, no launch control ....mehh I don't mind as long as there is no speed limiting, just looking forward to the car.....I have been told mine might arrive within the next 4 months...fingers crossed. Cheers, Gibbo

Hi Guys, I have an R35 on order and was redoing some details with my dealer the other day, the latest news for Australian GTR's is that there will be no Launch control. Due to the failing transmissions and the issue with voided warranties Nissan Australia will not be having the Launch control function on the Australian cars. I hope no one was pinning their decision to buy the car on 0-100 in 3.3 seconds, you won't be able to achieve that here. Cheers, Gibbo