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It's exactly why his opinion is of dick all value or validity in my eyes. I don't mind being debated, hell I invite it. What I don't like is arguing with people who act stubborn children and attack in lieu of a proper rebuttal. Literally dexamphetamine is the mirror image of regular amphetamine (not meth). I imply nothing more with this fact than the level of your stubborn ignorance. I present fact regardless of its point, and you reply like a little kid.

Chemically, dexamphetamine and amphetamine are pretty much the same molecule. Better comparison than the ones you make. MDMA is still a phenethylamine, so you'd be asking the wrong question anyway.

Oh also "X" and amphetamines are quite different in effect. You'd know this if you didn't choose to be such an ignorant git.

Surely there are plenty of people already driving daily on ADD meds lol...it's pretty much the same thing

But people here, including yourself, are arguing with other figures of knowledge on this topic simply by discounting their input (like that of David Nutt I provided earlier, immediately dismissed by those who choose to believe whatever they want). I've asked plenty of questions - in fact some of you yourself Terry regarding statements made in your original thread - and they're yet to be answered. If I need to study journalism before you'll risk looking a fool, you've already done so.

Also, not that I'm saying it's the case here, but if you believe "stat's cannot lie or be warped" you've got quite a lot to learn. I hope you realise that statement is very wrong.

Amusing given "traces" wouldn't suggest they were under the influence, and further recently enough in a particular case it was found that if anything the methamphetamine in a driver's system would have contributed positively if anything. (meth is bad, driving on meth is worse... Before it looks like I'm condoning this shit again somehow)

As above, merry christmas all!

Hahaha couldn't help yourself

Actually decided to skim through that... The only thing I'm addicted to so far as this subject goes is an addiction to debunking the scientifically unfounded and plainly false claims constantly repeated time and time again as fact by idiots like yourself who refuse to show they have any ACTUAL knowledge on the things they're speaking on. And again, even if I were simply googling shit to repeat here (which I'm not), that's still leaps and bounds beyond the sourceless ramblings you've pulled out your own ass mate I await your response, even though you've said multiple times you're done.

For someone so dumb, I sure structure a sentence a bit better than yourself. That was hard to read at all, let alone without laughing again.

Or dispense information to take away from the demonisation of certain substances! I just find it hilarious jaguars like hallucinogens tbh

Haha that's nothing new here, particularly since I started pissing ppl off

Didn't cut and paste ya f**king clown, it's called acquired knowledge I've attained from reading... Either way good to know you're still checking in, I hope I've taught you something

Jaguar's munch on the roots of the B. caapi vine for the hallucinogenic alkaloids Harmine, Harmaline, and tetrahydroharmine. The south American hallucinogenic brew "Ayahuasca" is traditionally made from the roots of this vine combined with a source of DMT such as Psychotria viridis. DMT is not orally active unless in ludicrous doses, as it is rapidly metabolised by the enzyme monoamine oxidase during first-pass metabolism (smoking/vapourising, injecting, insufflating, or plugging will all skip first-pass metabolism in the liver, but will still be rapidly metabolised which is why the trip is so damned short). The addition of an MAOI (monoamine oxidase inhibitor), in the form of the hamine alkaloids, allows the DMT to both survive first-pass metabolism to be orally active, and also remain active within the body for a much longer duration. There's also a species of toad - Bufo alvarius - whose poison contains the psychoactive compounds 5-MeO-DMT and 5-HO-DMT (Bufotenin). I could swear I remember a story about another creature that purposely licks these toads to get high hahaha Some dolphins 'play' with puffer fish to get high too. I guess these creatures missed the memo about how bad drugs are, and how wrong it is to use them. Pick up your game XGTRX, we have innocent creatures falling victim to the deadly world of recreational drugs lololol

It is pretty ridiculous that the taxpayer paid for that ridiculous skit hey....would really hate to think how much

Stoner Sloth http://junkee.com/nice-try-guys-4/71169 (yeah I know that's hardly a news source, but might as well link a funny one for something this stupid) Anyone wanna comment on this hilarious failure, or have I truly killed this thread for good?

I think that's inherently human nature Richard

OH! OH! I'd like to share these links to 2 published books written by renowned American medicinal chemist, biochemist, pharmacologist, psychopharmacologist, and author (stole that description from wiki lol), Alexander "Sasha" Shulgin. Shulgin is responsible for first synthesising a great number of psychoactive compounds and investigating their effects. Over his many many years of discovering and subsequently self-trialling these compounds, he authored 2 booked - "PIHKAL" and "TIHKAL", which stand for Phenethylamines/Tryptamines I Have Known And Loved. These books detail the synthesis route leading to the end compound, its effects at various dosages, and qualatitive thoughts/commentary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Shulgin PIHKAL TIHKAL If you actually have an interest in knowing what these substances do (as in the FACTS) without having to touch them yourself, this is possibly the best you're going to get. I'd love it if XGTRX could have a glance over some of the compounds he's so sure he knows everything about, but really since that's about as likely as blood from a stone, I at least hope anybody else has a read for the hell of it. If you're interested. An example of some of the amusing bits. This was taken from the page on DOPr. Bolded for lulz.

Sorry forgot to actually hit post: I do agree that we have nfi "what's in" our stuff in terms of purity and undesired byproducts/unclean synthesis. That's absolutely true, and a result of shitty practices in filthy setups by semi-educated and likely intoxicated muppets. So yes, even if you received MDMA, it likely contains impurities from an imperfect synthesis, and the chemist who made it surely isn't going to go to the further effort to wash their product. I mean impurities increase weight which in turn increases profit That being said, the instance of impurities and their speciifc characteristics are unlikely to dramatically change the effects, though that is definitely an 'unknown'

Please see above regarding strychnine - none of it makes any sense by the fact it would ruin the synthesis (chemistry is very specific in process), and that the only confirmed cases of adulteration were found to be attempted murder:

The following is absolute assumption we speak on MDMA/ecstasy - please let me know if the person you know was dabbling in a completely different drug. I don't want to reignite the repetitious aspects of this thread, but when you say "current stuff" do you mean what's sold on the street as something it isn't (like 5-MAPB, 4-MMC, PMA, etc)? Again, unless they were extremely unlucky to be one of the very few to have a serious adverse reaction to MDMA, it was not the MDMA to cause the coma (well, unless they bombed like 5 times what they should have). Either way, that sucks Also while clandestine home-labs are for the very large majority an absolute cesspool dump I wouldn't even want to step foot in, the use of "rat poison" is for the most part absolute myth. Strychnine (rat poison) adulteration has been found in very few cases, and those were almost exclusively attempted poisonings. It exhibits no effects even remotely similar to the desired effect of the drug it's allegedly used in the synthesis of, so beyond the desire of killing your clients (which would be terrible for business) there's no reason to put it in whatever you're making. Clandestine labs might be the filthiest makeshift dumps one could possibly attempt chemistry in, but simply there's no point dumping random chemicals into the mix when it'd ruin the synthesis process resulting in poor or even no yield of the desired end product. Funnily, a lot of the 'danger' myths to do with these drugs were started by the users themselves lol. f**k knows why. The Strychnine in LSD myth is a good example of how it simply doesn't add up - strychnine is one of the most bitter substances known, so you'd know immediately what is on your tiny little piece of blotter paper is NOT LSD. Also its toxicity would see any amount you could manage to fit on an LSD blotter have little to no toxic effect (the LD50 is roughly 1–2 mg/kg orally in humans, or 70-80mg for the average male at the low end of that scale; a 'normal' sized LSD blotter would struggle to fit 1mg of anything on it). I know my interactions in this thread have been a bit heated and arrogant/stubborn, I won't deny; I just ask you try to consider the idea that regardless of what your final opinion is on this subject, what I'm trying to get across is the most "factual" information I can present, and I try to show what information my opinions are based on. Believe what I say, or don't - that's entirely up to you. My intentions to educate are sincere - I spend most of my day trying to do the same thing with clowns who dive head first into this shit before doing their research, so honestly getting my message through to those who have no interest in touching this stuff ergo no need to know proper harm minimisation practices isn't really high on the priority list. I just have too much time.

Fair enough, my bad. I read it as though you just wanted to repeat yourself regardless of what I'd posted lol. While we'll continue to more or less disagree over decriminalisation etc, I'm glad you do see that they have real value beyond a good time, and aren't necessarily the toxic killers they're made out to be.

It's seriously like you didn't even read what I posted.