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Anthony, how old are you? EDIT: never mind. Don't ever f**king speak to me like that again. If Eric posted what you did, I'd sook but at least he has grounds for argument. You, mate, are 21. You have less experience than I do on this subject, so what on earth made you think you can take such a condescending tone as though you have a f**king clue? I'm out of this one. Clearly we can't even have a discussion without personal insults coming out, regardless of how far fetched and ludicrous my opinions might be.

I never claimed to be "mature" myself. No idea what your point is Kat.

I fail to see how expressing my thoughts on the subject in a mature way constitutes the response I've received. I wasn't arguing with anyone, I wasn't putting anyone's opinions down, I was merely expressing what I thought to be good practice and how I feel things should be done given my own upbringing. If anything I could argue that it's Anthony who's ignorant. I'm not quite sure of his age, but I'm gonna guess old enough that he has absolutely no experience with being raised with the same violent games etc at the same age I was. This leaves us both in a situation where we have experienced only ONE SIDE. I feel the experience from the child's perspective holds more value in a way that they're on the receiving end - if anyone knows what extent my exposure has had on my tendency to re-enact what I've seen, it's ME. I stand by my opinion that with the right information and education on subjects such as the "is X too young for Y", there's very little reason why someone can't be exposed to certain things in the right environment. I should also point out I do understand a child/adolescent's mind and personality are still developing around this age. That doesn't mean they are unable to be taught right from wrong.

Right back at you with that attitude mate. So far you've added nothing, and after this post I give no f**ks if you do add anything.

Brain is starting to melt, so just gonna reply mostly in point form hahaha Desensitatisation to something is VERY different to influencing the individual to enact that which they've witnessed. I won't at all deny playing/watching violent stuff will desensitise an individual; I will however firmly stand against the common notion being pushed that it will make them more likely to re-enact similar things to that which they've witnessed because they're under the impression it's "normal/acceptable". THAT is where the parents are to blame in their failure to properly raise and educate their child. THAT is where I received the correct upbringing and correct information. As previously mentioned, I've seen some seriously f**ked up shit lol, not to mention endless hours of ridiculously over the top REALISTIC violent/gory/questionable games and movies...yet I can almost claim with absolute certainty that of everyone here, I am the least likely to ever commit an act of violence - even in self defence, violence is my absolute last resort. That being said - I'm a fkn angry flamin mongrel sometimes lol. Does a 14 year old NEED to see it? f**k no. Does a 14 year old need to be absolutely denied it no exceptions end of story? Again - f**k no. It's all circumstantial. With the right knowledge, anyone has the power to be exposed to anything and not let it affect them. If you sheltered someone their entire life - let's say they never had any interaction of ANY kind with the outside world, and to them their direct surroundings are all they ever know - until they're say 30. Do you think this 30 year old is ready to play the same games we deny our 15 year old? Hell f**king no they aren't - they haven't learned anything about the real world and how it works. They'll absorb it in the same way the 15 year old allegedly will, since they don't know any different. In no way should a kid be given "free run", as for the purpose of this discussion that's effectively the polar opposite of what some parents do (or at least what I'm saying shouldn't happen). Obviously there's middle ground, you've just gotta find it while ensuring your child has a proper understanding of reality. Supervision plays a large role here - I never watched any of the messed up films I did as a youngin' alone. I was always with my grandparents or parents. I understand a certain instinct will be triggered when one becomes a parent, but regardless of how I might feel about certain things at the time, I will always follow a logical train of thought in which I will go by the same methods I was raised with. Assess the situation, think about how I'd have felt about it when I was their age, and act accordingly. More and more sexualised yes (as in young girls are being "turned into complete broad minded persons" by popular/social media). However, by nature, at the age of 15 almost every single female (and male) is ready to begin reproduction. The only reason this is a horribly bad idea these days is because they aren't mentally ready for parenthood. Why is this? Because we hold them back intentionally. Not saying this is the wrong thing to do at all, just saying that there'd be nothing abnormal about it if we didn't forcibly make it the case through lack of education/preparation/slight feeding of misinformation. Everything is about control and power these days. Most 15 year olds don't understand the consequences of their actions because they've been raised incorrectly. In the same way most people are deadset f**king useless with money and don't understand the consequences of taking out a personal loan - because they were never taught things correctly.

Not sure if this is on-topic for our current conversation, or if it just conveniently fits in and you're just responding to something earlier I missed Either way yes, relevant - I don't ride like a dickhead on my overpowered (for a learner) bike, because I have a complete understanding of what can (and likely WILL) happen when shit hits the fan To understand you're taking a risk is one thing; to understand the consequences if said risk goes wrong is a different level of understanding entirely.

Liveleak is tame hahaha Let's not even touch on the subject of games still being refused classification even now that we have an R18 rating... Life is full on. The world in which we live is seriously f**ked up. How is shoving your head (and those of your children) in the sand and pretending everything is rainbows and lollipops going to help a damned thing? All it does it create a weakling human being who'll be the first person to have an emotional breakdown and sit in the corner being useless as f**k when shit REALLY goes down. Consider exposure a form of life training lol

I've seen some of the most horrific shit you'll ever lay eyes on (other than seeing things with your own eyes in real life) like beheadings, CCTV footage of people being blown away big time, mangled bodies from being hit by cars, animals being tortured), and if anything it's only made the overall picture clearer in a way that I have a firmer grasp of right and wrong. Plus I don't cry like a little bitch when I see something scary or bad happen like someone dying lol. Emotion can be our greatest downfall, though not to suggest desensitisation such as that which I've experienced is an appropriate remedy I see it similarly to "knowledge is invaluable" - if you're denied the knowledge/experience of certain things, I believe it's quite rare that you'll be better off knowing nothing of them. I'm really glad I was introduced to the extremes at such an early age, as then when I was REALLY maturing* through my early teens, I had a much greater understanding of "how things work" etc and I wasn't afraid to see or hear about certain things. I welcomed everything with an understanding and appreciation of the knowledge I was being imparted (regardless of the topic), and never let anything I learned affect my mental/emotional well-being. I will admit that there are many sexually themed situations in GoT that are pretty f**ked up, but even then in these situations it just needs to be made extra clear of how things ACTUALLY work (ie - you don't f**k your siblings like rabbits LOL) The vast majority of people are either f**ked in the head, going to be f**ked in the head regardless, or completely normal. I don't agree that anything a mentally sound person witnesses second-hand will have any bearing on this, as long as it's presented in an appropriate way and that the person has been raised and taught correct values and understanding. Again like the video game bullshit - onus falls entirely on the parent. Anyone trying to blame the media their children have been exposed to (violent games, violent movies, pr0nz etc etc) is just clutching at straws for a scapegoat to cover their own shitty parenting etc.

I'd be very scared if they'd DONE even a few things from GoT hahaha. Short answer: no, there should be nothing wrong with it at all. In my opinion if watching something like GoT at the age of 15 is going to mentally scar someone or change their personality for the worse, I believe that person either already has some SERIOUS underlying issue, are predisposed to developing issues and therefore will anyway, or have had an excessively sheltered childhood which is going to cause issues. I see this exactly the same way as "violent video games make people violent". Absolute load of f**king shit. I was watching the Alien films (among other similarly f**ked up things) when I was in early primary school around 8 years old. If things are presented in the right way by adults (ie the parent) then there's nothing wrong with it as the child will understand that it's just a story and that things like this don't and shouldn't occur in real life. I'm of the belief that if a parent insists on sheltering their child by not allowing them to partake in certain things or even know about them, it's because they're a useless parent doomed to fail - all they're doing is bandaid fixing their inevitable failure.

Congrats on the 47.5kg bench!!

Does it whistle exclusively while in positive manifold pressure? Or will it do it if you wind it out through the rev range without hitting boost? If the latter, it's potentially a gasket leak on the exhaust side - particularly if it gets WORSE with boost (suggests pre-turbo, either manifold or turbo flange). If it still does it off boost, but doesn't worsen on boost, potentially a gasket pre-cat converter.

Pretty much this haha

Neither of them actually exist

People who emotionally involve themselves in a scripted TV series of any kind....

I'm thinking he's just used the wrong term and actually means "in series"

Without subsidies on offer, these programs are only ever attended by INTELLIGENT members of the driving community - which unfortunately make up such a ridiculously small percentage of the 'problem' drivers, since those drivers are simply complete morons haha

Still jealous I have a toight body. Yes, you see that from my toight pants. Yes, I am toight, like a toiger.

hahaha but not for the reasons you'd be thinking! They aren't mine anyway We also have microgram scales rofl

Heavily subsidise a very specifically tailored advanced driver training course, which P platers must complete if they wish to drive an otherwise banned vehicle (turbo/V8 etc)

Yeah generally that's a pretty good reason not to

that mass gain without AAS is definitely questionable lol, but still intredasting product...

But don't do it I've felt that way about mine when I had it many many many times, only I felt that way because I hated the car - not because I felt like shite

oh you!

Can't ub00b at work

Also had a slightly better sleep last night (still pretty shite), but strangely feel significantly better than usual this morning :S wut