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It doesn't suggest anything specific at all. Besides being incredibly subjective measures: people have different bone structures and heights; 20+ year old car seats have different shapes; fat distribution is not proportionate; neither of them stated their weights, only that they were subjectively fat on self reflection. Insert a hundred more variables here.

So what exactly is your point then, jangles, given my whole argument is that pre-lifting body shapes can be easily changed and people attribute too much of their failure / others success towards it?

Wallet is not usually needed if I don't have pants or shorts on.

Got a perfectly good compartment in my wallet for that. Comes in handy for parking meters.

Mine idles at whatever the f**k I want it to

This. Have also not seen anyone look like the first body shape and rarely look like the last body shape. Aside from them holding different poses lol, first person appears not to do much lat work, and third is the only one who does shrugs/upright rows? I am confused. Am I an ecto if I don't do pull-ups and deadlifts? Most people who train proportionately, end up with a variation in muscle size and body fat of the middle one.

At 6'3 and 91kg, do you think I was still an ecto? What about 100kg and beyond if I kept going with my bulking diet?

#endoproblems

lol Would have kept going had I not said okay this is shit. Wearing jeans in a car was uncomfortable as fk and I found it hard to sit / would get stomach pains sometimes. Don't know how overweight people do it.

I was tipping 91kg, believe it or not. Made for good footy and t shirt wearing. Made for bad abs.

Rather hop on the pushbike than the Gixxer any day!

There are too many variables to it to be able to theoretically pull off the experiment. But a lot of people I put onto the same diet and exercise have ended up with similar muscle development and similar body fat percentages. As what boz said, people way overstate how strong the ecto/meso/endo stuff is, as if it's some pre-determinant of how they are going to be as a lifter or their body composition for the rest of their life, when their existing state prior to lifting has very little effect compared to their mindset throughout their lifting life. I don't doubt genetics playing a role in things, some are gifted...but it's credited way too much by people who have usually achieved fk all and are chasing very ordinary and achievable goals. People commonly blame genetics and ecto for not being able to get a 100kg bench. My mother likes to say that I take after her because she was always lean as a kid and never did any exercise...yet she conveniently forgot all about this when she commented that I was getting fat during a bulking phase. It's not until people are elite athletes performing at their peak that you see the effects of genetics really hold someone back. Unless you're talking about a predisposition to injury or bone/joint structure, it's almost always in the head. Case in point, almost all ectos think they est a lot. Then you look at their diet and it's really fk all or terrible foods that have little nutritional value. Endos reckons they've tried dieting before and can't lose weight; still eating enough for 2 people.

I dunno your jimmies sound fair rustled. I'd love to test it by getting what people would call an ecto and an endo, who share very similar daily routines (amount of walking and daily activity), making them eat exactly the same diet and put them on exactly the same exercise program. Then see where they end up after a year.

Think Dave uses a mothers polish and I use Poorboys EX sealant with carnauba. Also, Armorall heavy duty car wash ftmfw.

Sorry kids it's all bullshit. I also ate junk food and played video games as a kid. It means shit all. Junk food doesn't make you fat, eating too much of it does. If you don't break maintenance, there is no reason to be fat, which is exactly what you were doing as a kid. Now if you ate 6 meals of maccas a day for 6 months and didn't get fat, there might be some truth to what you're saying, but the reality is that you didn't or you would end up a fat ass no matter how ecto and inactive you are. The moment I started gyming AND eating more than I'd eaten in my life is the also the moment I realised it's actually easy for a so called ecto to gain weight, all that needs changing is the perception of what is a lot of food. I'm what you quacks would call a natural ecto, was 63kg at 6'3, yet I know how to and can easily gain and lose a lot of weight as I please now. Solve that one, and don't give me the age slowing metabolism excuse because I have less bodyfat now than I did as a teen. Like I said, so many people have proven it wrong by changing their diet and having the motivation to change, from all camps of ecto/meso/endo/bullshit. The real definition of an ecto is someone who doesn't know what a lot of food is. The real definition of an endo is someone who doesn't know what enough food is.

Not as high as an insurance company knowing this and potentially refusing a claim.

Possible and plausible.

Case in point: https://www.zocdoc.com/answers/9321/could-my-hormone-levels-have-something-to-do-with-my-weight-gain Wonder where the magic weight is coming from...do hormones weigh 5kg or something?

Why would you imagine that lol

Not that I doubt Damien's abilities, but unless he can add a 4th dimension to the universe, I can't see the reflection being any deeper/better than a pure mirror Artz and Birdz detailing ftw

Sure is! End result of cheap detailing products and backyard work

So...who else is ready for the show and shine?

Thank you for your honesty mate^ And because you accept it as your own doing, you're much more able to make changes than those who don't. Just wish every other fat ass and skinny runt would stop blaming their genetics and composition on their inability to change, given numerous people have been in their shoes and proven them wrong time and time again. God, the arguments I have had to put up to lazy f**ks who try to tell me (while chomping a snickers bar) that my metabolism is responsible for me having a six pack in my late 20s. Funny that these f**kers were also the first to point out how much weight I had gained when I intentionally gained 10kg and the six pack disappeared. Meanwhile none of my friends around the same age have a six pack; incidentally, they also don't go to the gym, do high reps of heavy deadlifts, or eat a routine diet of decent food...coincidence? These friends also used to give me shit about my early 20s diet of pies / sausage rolls and hardly any vegetables...yet were and still are all quite overweight. I'm loling and raging at the ignorance/hypocrisy.

Have to give you a run Tony, both off the line and rolling.