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I'm okay with ~5% variance on the overall GTR production figures...that's really not going to change the values significantly, nor the ratio of 32:33:34 rarity. Special/unique models a different case.

Slow ramp up resumes again?

All couriers are equally bad

The overall production figures seem to be correct and in line with GTR registry? What a great site that is by the way...interesting info on colour codes and how many were produced. My black 33R V-spec might be a thing of rarity one day, but not nearly as rare as an active red S3

Tyres are the other weak link that protects the driveline. Keep in mind that slicks or semis increase pressure on the gearbox as you improve grip. Aside from wear through failed or faulty bearings, or some sort of pre-existing structural damage to the cogs, catastrophic gearbox failure / stripping teeth usually occurs from two things: 1. too much torque transferred through the box with resistance at the other end, e.g. lots of engine power and the tyres are gripping, or 2. too much torque instantaneously transferred / shocked through the box, e.g. dumping clutch or harsh pick up. So boxes do have their limits for what they handle power wise, but it goes a long way to treating the box kindly. You can baby around a drag car with a T5 gearbox or you can kill a Tremec TKO with a stock LS1 and horrible driving. If you're insistent on running a certain power level then I would talk to a clutch specialist like NPC, tell them your power and application (street or strip) and they will sell you a clutch that suits. But be prepared, down the track you may need a stronger box.

To what "record" are you referring? I was unaware of some sort of database tracking your involvement in accidents other than police reports when filed, or your own insurance company when you make a claim When you sign up for new insurance or a quote they only ask if you've had any licence suspensions/disqualifications and how many at fault claims you've made in the last 5 years. If your licence is clean and you haven't made a claim then I wouldn't worry about it affecting your insurance.

Thanks for the eye opener, adam! Will the Nismo one light my cigarette quicker than this generic one? Or is it just the logo on the handle that's different? Cheers

I see that C63s have become the latest flat brim seat reclined douchebag/gangsta car

Bit of a bloodbath, but the price isn't any worse than it was before the announcement ramp up. Have only had a skim of the announcement, but so far looks only slightly positive erring on the side of inconclusive, when market was expecting mega positive.

Someone mentioned numbers of 32R and 33R produced I wonder if production numbers could open the doors to 33Rs one day overtaking 32Rs in price by way of rarity. 34s have gone insane but is that more to do with being the last "real" Skyline and most recent / most reliable, or less numbers produced than its older brothers? Will the 32 always be worth more than the 33 because it's the original Godzilla and because of its dominance in motorsport? From memory the 33R didn't see anywhere as much participation/winning in championships.

My question is and always has been how high. I believe the USA importing 33s will drive them higher, for example, and also just said I think there is much more in them. I just don't think it's a /guaranteed/ thing that we will necessarily see 200k+ 32Rs...at least in the next 10 years...as inflation could eventually take them there of its own accord. 60s and 70s muscle weren't bolstered by a movie franchise and a single generation of fans, and many of these are worth more than equally rare cars from the 20s/30s/40s, so older is not a guaranteed win / linear increase in value. You can say ask anyone over 50, but remembering classic cars that have appreciated since the old days is 20/20 hindsight. No one talks about or remembers the cars that are rare and classic but worth fk all comparatively. I think it ignorant to rule out the possibility of any downward trend or the cars enjoying a heyday as classics, not to mention extraneous variables like recession.

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Worldwide demand, but more examples too, making them less rare. Aussie muscle also has its own niche and a patriotic appeal that drives prices up here. I believe there are too many variables at play for anyone to know and call exactly what will happen with the GTRs, hence this thread with questions that are fun to postulate. I think and hope we will see much more out of them. However, if it was so easy to predict and guaranteed, keeping classic and rare cars holed up in sheds would be a more common investment than it is. Most classic and rare cars do appreciate with time and if nothing else, at least keep up with inflation and maintenance/insurance costs, but plenty of them have a ceiling to their prices and not every one is a winner. GTRs have been so far, particularly if you bought at the bottom of the market.

Exactly, it keeps me up at night haha, just can't make the finances work right now, still owe money on my current car, will reassess next year, but scary looking at such old (and mostly thrashed) cars for that much money This is what gets me and I think you guys too. I could deal with dropping 40k on 70s muscle because the cars weren't ever really available to me for cheap, nor was I alive when they were new. Skylines on the other hand - I've witnessed their bottom market. I'd want to be pretty wealthy to not miss the coin dropped on a GTR now. Hence keeping mine is becoming a dilemma - I got in cheap and now it's worth much more than I'd pay for one - to retain those dollars in an asset you're essentially spending that on it even if you didn't start off with that capital. Paradoxically, Skylines still don't feel like old cars to me. It trips me out thinking that my R33s are much older now than beat up old Pintaras and VK Commodores were when I was 18 - cars I would never have owned back then - too old!

Not cheap but your car won't get nicked and it's close to the track for that potential walk back... http://bimbadeenphillipisland.com.au/accommodation/

Not just that, but 32s aren't getting any more reliable...if you're buying to enjoy driving I would do that now.

Could be, I wasn't aware of the same association / underwriting.

Just checked and more than a few still sub 10k? Talking 33s... The mean sell offer certainly has gone up though. Lots in the teens now.

Interesting - had not checked carsales for GTS-Ts in a while.

I'm expecting the USA to give 33/34 a bit of a boost when available. Could we end up selling these cars back to collectors in Japan? Also think it's odd that whilst GTR prices have climbed so high, the GTS-Ts have stayed completely stagnant. I would have expected a little bit of a rise given they are now becoming rarer themselves. There's a point of contention - even base model classic cars fetch high prices. Will GTS-Ts go the same way in a decade or so perhaps, as some settle for these models when they can't afford a GTR? Will we see an insurgence of GTR badged GTS-Ts?

This is the part I find difficult to judge; whether it will follow other classic car trends or do its own thing. Because of how quickly these cars went from a depreciating asset into a collectible/investment and factors responsible. I always say with trends, the faster they come on the faster they go off...may not apply to collectible cars though. Will everyone in the future universally appreciate 90s JDM like pretty much everyone today universally appreciates 70s muscle? Or is it just one generation of old kids that will see a decline one day as the cars are forgotten? I also wonder about aftermarket support and parts in Australia. Being manufactured here, Australian muscle cars had and still do have quite a lot of parts floating around, specialists who work on them etc. As the cars become rarer, will workshops turn away from JDM focused business models? I already know some who are doing RWC now as their mainstay and work on imports is just a side for them because there isn't as much work as there used to be or it's not as profitable. A good argument against this would be American muscle cars which still fetch a lot of money here.

Great topic of its own! I'm starting a thread about it:

GTR Prices GTR prices are just insane. Everytime I jump on Carsales to check the offer prices, I'm pleased / mindboggled to see a few grand added to the average price or the cheapest example higher than I last saw it. Yes, they don't necessarily sell for what they are listed, but if that average keeps going up then so does the average of what they actually do sell for. Especially R34s. I cannot believe people would pay 100k+ for a 20 year old Skyline. As much as I love these cars, they are still 10-40k cars to me. To maintain perspective I have to remember that people were / still are doing this with muscle cars from the 70s, which were once upon a time just old shitters and are now timeless classics. Guess I thought it would be at least another 10-15 years before 90s JDM fell into classic car territory and crazy appreciation in value. My explanation? The Fast and the Furious generation now earning serious coin and having disposable income to relive childhood (demand), combined with the rarity of these vehicles (supply) - Australia and NZ did a good job of writing off many examples during the 90s and 00s). It's starting to make sense... The questions for me now are: as a GTR owner who is keen on investment and would probably cave in to a good return, when do you get off the ride and sell? When will the bubble burst, if at all? Is it a slow passing fad? Are we at peak prices now or is there still a way to go, and will USA importing give later models another boost? Will it peak and trough like 70s muscle cars have done over the last 20 years? Could rarity turn into obscurity and one day leave you without a buying market (I own another rare car that is so obscure it's only worth about $1000)? Will scarcity of parts make them unaffordable to maintain and deter buyers one day (already happening for some)?

Just got 30k agreed out of RACV Classic/Vintage for $280/year while laid up, $500/year once it's out of the workshop. They said I can increase agreed value if I send in photos to show condition etc. The driving/storage rules sound similar to this NRMA deal.

London trading at equivalent of 4.6 cents...wonder if it will hold overnight. The ramp up is real. Makes sense that it should return close to prices pre shut-in. Either way this share was a damn good buy at 3 cents.