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Hi there, your right, its the same as the last post in a way. i was just letting everyone know the version 2 NCOP had been posted. Still if you know whats happening in WA you find that there are crazies here who have tried to supercharged V8s into 1400kg cars. Of interest is that v 2 of the NCOP is now supposed to be accepted by all registration authorities and will be adopted into all States. V1 had bits that NSW wouldnt accept, now they state in there " this is the standard, but in NSW you have to do blah blah". For late model cars stability control has been addressed, now they want evidence or testing to show ESC is not affected by suspesion mods, tyres etc.

The latest version of the National Code of practise has just been put on the website. Link provided. Got some major changes, see the LA section engine size table. V8s and forced induction dont figure in the scheme of things. http://www.infrastru...etin/index.aspx

All inspections are stored on an electronic database, they know every inspection/ work order you have had. Thats why they started the TRELIS computer system up.

The Government, through DoT, will continue to work with the motor trades industry to review the emission testing policy and ensure an outcome that is in the best interest of all stakeholders. What the update link says is will continue to work with motor trades to review the emission policy, that does not mean its dead yet! I heard MTA might support the IM 240 as long as the government run it. I also heard cammed V8s are getting caned by the 5 gas as Drift says, and more cammed cars failed at idle cos of the 5 gas. than they would be under a drive cycle test. Ring the DPI dont count our blessing yet.

I'm not arguing for bad modifications, and I am all for manufacturers producing hot cars, turbo or otherwise. I was just flagging impending change, to be for warned is to be for armed. If your about to mod a V8 with a supercharger, espesially here in the west u need to know this shit.

Hey thanks for the compliment, but that was when all the state heads of Vehicle Safety sections agreed to the change, or so my mate tells me. And of course your right, every manufacturer has a V8 with a turbo or superchaged engine in their stable. Still they spent the money on R&D so they can do what they like, we wont be able to.

http://www.pharosalex.com.au/pages/33achome.html. Was a public website for comments, on reviewing the NCOP VSB 14 Must mean if it aint for review anymore they have alredy decided. The LA1 table has always been in the VSB14, just didnt apply to LA3 modifications, I heard they moved the table in the LA document so that it will apply. ncop3_v2_section_la_engines_18_mar_2009.doc

http://www.pharosalex.com.au/pages/33acs2.html Table LA1 Maximum Engine Capacity <H3 style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 6pt 0cm" align=center>Weight of Vehicle</H3> Maximum Engine Capacity (Refer to Notes Below) Naturally Aspirated Turbo/Supercharged All vehicles originally weighing less than 1100kg. Original tare mass (kg) x 0.183 = max. capacity in cubic inches Original tare mass (kg) x 3.0 = max. capacity in cc's Original tare mass (kg) x 0.153 = max. capacity in cubic inches Original tare mass (kg) x 2.5 = max. capacity in cc's <H5 style="MARGIN: 6pt 0cm; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-list: none"></H5> All vehicles originally weighing more than 1100 kg. Original tare mass (kg) x 0.305 = max. capacity in cubic inches Original tare mass (kg) x 5.0 = max. capacity in cc's Original tare mass (kg) x 0.183 = max. capacity in cubic inches Original tare mass (kg) x 3.0 = max. capacity in cc's This table will be applied to all modifications.

Hey VSB 14 NCOP version 2 will ban V8s being blown. 3 x tare weight = max cc allowed. Commodore v8 1600kg = 4800cc. Bye Bye blown V8s. Imports will rise to the top.

I agree with Drift if they didnt know, how will they disallow a claim. Since the financial crisis Insurance companies are using as many loop holes as they can find to save money. And Id keep quite about things cos there are things like statutes of limits on things and if an insurance company gets wind of what could deemed as fraud perhaps, willfully misleading an insurance company about the condition of a vehicle ie modified and not legal.

<H1 style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Moratorium on Emission Testing of</H1><H1 style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Light Vehicles in WA (September 2009)</H1> <H2 style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">The Department of Transport has introduced a moratorium on IM240 emissions testing. The purpose of the moratorium is to allow existing requirements to be reviewed to address industry stakeholder concerns. During this period, a temporary modification permit, valid for six months, will be issued for vehicles that may require IM240 testing under the revised policy.</H2><H2 style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"> </H2><H2 style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Background</H2>Until recently, limited vehicle emission testing options have been available in Western Australia to measure changes in emission levels due engine modifications, in particular the addition of turbochargers and superchargers. The recent establishment of an IM240 test facility has allowed Transport to implement a more accurate test regime. Transport took into account that the IM240 test is nationally recognised as a reasonable approximation of the Australian Design Rules (ADR) testing requirements. This requirement for IM240 testing commenced in April 2009 and was limited to engine and exhaust system modifications that were likely to impact on vehicle emissions. The automotive industry has raised some concerns about the emission testing requirements and requested a review of this policy. To ensure that these industry concerns are addressed, Transport has introduced a moratorium for up to six (6) months. During this period thorough consultation on emissions testing will be undertaken with the industry. <H2 style="BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0cm; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0cm; PADDING-RIGHT: 0cm; BORDER-TOP: medium none; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0cm; mso-border-alt: solid windowtext .5pt; mso-padding-alt: 1.0pt 4.0pt 1.0pt 4.0pt">Interim Policy</H2>Vehicles with modifications likely to affect emissions will need to be assessed by the Transport's Vehicle Safety and Standards Section (VSSS). Engineering reports, other information and checklists that demonstrate the vehicle complies with standards will still be requested. Until the new IM240 testing policy is introduced, the requirement to submit evidence of emission testing will be deferred for a limited period of six (6) months only. The Department may require a five gas analyser test as assurance that the vehicle does not have extremely high levels of emissions. Providing all other criteria are met, a modification permit valid for six (6) months will be issued. A second, permanent modification permit will be issued after the six month period expires, provided that the vehicle passes any emission testing required under the new policy. <H2 style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"> </H2><H2 style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Which modifications are affected?</H2>In general, the following modifications are likely to have an effect on emissions and are dealt with under this policy: Engines modified by the fitment of a supercharger or turbocharger Individually constructed vehicles (ICVs) Engines that have been significantly modified to enhance performance (e.g. with the fitment of a high performance camshaft) When there is reprogramming of the electronic control unit (ECU, the engine management computer), or a chip swap Major modifications to the exhaust systems - where the catalytic converter has been replaced with one that may not be fit for purpose or where the operation of the catalytic converter may be affected by aftermarket modifications (such as extractors) or significant relocation from the original position NB: Certain minor modifications of the exhaust system may be deemed unlikely to impact significantly upon vehicle emissions. In this case, the owner will be issued with a permanent modification permit and will not be required to undertake future IM240 testing for the modification(s) in question. IMPORTANT The IM240 emission test is still a valid test. Should you choose to undertake the test and consequently pass it, then you will satisfy the policy requirements. <H2 style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"> </H2><H2 style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">What is expected of the vehicle owner?</H2> The legislation requires a vehicle owner to seek permission the Director General, Department of Transport to modify their vehicle from. Application is made through the VSSS and an application form is available online at http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/mediaFiles/lic_modform_prodveh.pdf The applicant or his appointed engineer may be required to provide an engineer's report for the vehicle, along with all pertinent checklists required from the National Code of Practice for Light Vehicle Construction and Modification (VSB14), to a technical analyst in the VSSS. The National Code of Practice for Light Vehicle Construction and Modification checklists can be found at http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/veh...n/vsb_ncop.aspx. Once approved in principle, a covering letter from the VSSS will be provided for the vehicle examiner to show that the vehicle has met the pertinent standards.

I know IM240 testing was expensive from KEC but have you done the maths on the test facility. An IM240 machine of a standard that can give you grams per kilometre of the 5 gasses costs about 600-700K If you borrow that much, 5% interest works out at 30k per year, if you want to pay of that amount over 5 years that works out at 120k +30k per year to break even. Gee you havent even made wages. Paid for the filters, electricity or any consumeables. So to break even each year you need to do 150 tests at $1000 or 3000 tests at $50 Now if we set up 4 or 5 centres here in WA then we need to be doing 600 tests per year at $1000 or 12000 tests at $50. Companies that are setting up will need vast reserves to survive if they dont get the volume of tests they expect. I have checked other states and SA charges $550 dollars, VIC through VIBRAC $200 1st test and $900 there after. 1st test is subsidised by VIC EPA. NSW are nominal in their charges due to the facility being built to test every vehicle in the fleet and then they found it was going to be too hard. Ford Aust do test from time to time when their lab is quiet and charge $600 approx. Now NSW RTA spent $4.5 million, SA $2.5 million and VIBRAC spent more like these 2 figures added together. Emission testing does not come cheap and any body setting up is in for the long haul. I dont work for KEC, but I did put a business proposal to a partner to set up a facility in Feb 2006 when DPI adopted the VSB 14 NCOP. I thought I might corner the market, did these sums and realy didnt like the idea of loosing the house and business to boot. So if IM 240 is here to stay however does it is NOT going to do it for peanuts unless they have money to waste.

Yeh yu still need to meet the ADR so that might mean as little as 50- 100 ppm HC cams and injectors aint goin to pass.