Southo

check above - just added to my post for you impaitent ones

Dudes, If you can hold out for a little while longer, I can give you details of a company that is about to release Australia wide. It's Satellite based tracking, with a GSM notification system. I am waiting on a call back from these guys - they are in the final testing phase at the moment. - In the meantime if you are desperate for a tracker - check out http://www.rojone.com.au/guardian.htm Whilst this appears to be a good system, there is currently no facility in place to have a monitoring company monitor your vehicle on your behalf. This is a worry when you consider that if you sleep through your phone call or SMS, or your battery goes flat - who will notify you (or the police) that your car has been stolen. If you can live with this and don't see it as a problem - (your insurance company might not accept it either for this same reason) - then this is otherwise a great system.

YO880, If your insurance company is prepared to fight it for you - don't stop them.. who knows, if they are successful, you hopefully should get your NCB and Excess back if they penalised you

Basically yes. Negligence has to be proven before liability can be attributed. Here is another example... Say I have Third Party Property Damage Only (TPPD) on my Car If my car is stolen, and the theif is not used to the sudden rush of power that 80kW at the rear wheels can offer :D and he loses control and hits your car and then does the runner. Even if you can prove it was my car that hit yours - (even if my car is abandoned at the scene and the theif escapes on foot). My Insurance will not cover the damage to your car. And you have no legal right to try and claim from me because I am not responsible or negligent in the accident. Basically, with TPPD - your car is only covered for accidents and incidents whilst you, the owner, or someone one with your permission, is in control of the car. As the car was stolen, the policy does not cover the damge as a result. So, if the vehicle that is damaged by my stolen car is not insured, then you had better try and catch the theif - otherwise you have little chance of recovery thru the stolen vehicle's owner or insurer. It sounds slack, but as I said - Negligence has to be proven before liability can be attributed.

EDIT - Bad news.... see posts below... That's right are you too young to remember seeing "Godzilla" in the flesh ??? are you too young to remember hearing the sound of this beast on a race track ?? Well, get your arse down to Eastern Creek raceway for The Council of Motor Clubs Annual Display Day Sponsored by Shannons Insurance, this day is a must for any car enthusist with thousands of cars and traders on display. But, Back to the GT-R, The current owner of the Gibson Collection has lived up to his promise to make these cars more accessible for Nissan Enthusists and will be taking the Bathurst winning GT-R on parade laps around the circuit - along with other great Group A and Group C racing cars of it's era will be there too. Don't miss it Sunday - 18th August Eastern Creek Raceway

Yeah, I set up the SVD yahoogroups mailing list and tried to get as many people to use it as possible. For a while there it was looking pretty promising, but a lack of enthusiasm by most members saw it (and the club) slowly turn into just a group of mates who went for cruises etc. We tried a couple of times to get a full website happening, but it just never enventuated, and that's why you have my full support for this venture as I know how hard they are to keep up and running and keep people interested. I really only visit two Forums regulary - Performance Forums and now now Skylines Australia. PS, once the club is all up and running, I'll have a chat to you about getting the club some sponsor contacts for discounts etc that were very helpful with the SVD club. Cheers Jason

YO880, Liability insurance generally deals with issues relating to loss or damage, to property or persons whilst in the Insured's care, or as a result of work performed.... like the examples above - if the Workshop Owner is negligent in his care for your car and it gets damaged, or if they build a new intercooler and forget to clean it out and aluminium filings and dirt get sucked into your engine etc. If they fabricate a lot of their own parts, they may need product liability in case one of those products fails and causes damage etc. - Ie, if a company sells you a faulty set of lowered coil springs and one falls out while cornering and you crash as a direct result, the spring manufacturer's product liability should pay for the damages. They can also get cover that covers them for comments / advise that they make - eg, if they tell you that your standard GTS25t will take 55psi of boost without any damage and you follow their instructions and do happen to be stupid enough to try.... well if you can prove that it was their negligence in telling you that - and not your stupidity , then you may have a case against them. General Commercial insurance on say a mechanics workshop could cover a number of areas such as... Fire Flood Storm Theft Fusion of Electrical motors Electrical breakdown of Diagnostic equipment Business Interuption / Loss of income as a result of one or more of the above events Workers Compensation Cash in transit (ie, on way to/from bank) Cash on premises (ie, days or weeks takings) Stock and trade Transit cover - (their employees to drive your car for testing purposes) - this usually has a geographical limit - Ie, 50km radius of the workshop.

Read my post again guys... For a person/company/insurer to be held liable for any damage, they must be deemed to be negligent Which of the following scenarios could be deemed the responsibility of the repairer.... 1. They left it unlocked outside with the keys in it - ? 2. They let the 15 year old car washing guy drive it and he hit a fence 3. They are playing silly buggers throwing spanners around and one hits your car and scratches and dents the roofd 4. They lock the car up inside the workshop at night, and some ram raider smashes thru their front wall and bricks hit your car 5. Your car catches fire and burns the workshop down because of the dodgy wiring you did to get your neons working. It could be successfully argued that they are definitely negligent in the first 3 examples, but Not for the 4th. That is outside their control.. As for the 5th, if this happened, who would pay for the damage ??, who would pay for the new workshop and all the other customers cars that got damaged ?? - YES, that's right - The negligent party - YOU

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I could write and essay on this - (bahh, I probably will) Firstly, any alarm/immobiliser is only as good as it's installation Secondly, start with an alarm/immobiliser that is at least Australian Standards approved. Thirdly, I would recommend at least two sirens - One internal, one external, both well hidden. Minimum of three point Immobilisation. The Brant AA02 is a great system, I had one in my car until I upgraded to a VTS (Vehicle Tracking System). There was nothing wrong with the Brant, I just removed it and had something better installed. Remember, an alarm/immobilser will not guarantee that your car won't get stolen, you still have to take care where and how you park it etc and take all precautions to prevent it's theft. If someone is going to try and steal your car - you want a few things to happen.. 1 - you want the car to make as much noise as possible - both inside and out - this makes the theif want to spend as little time as possible in the car (they will either get noticed, or they will get deafened) 2 - you want someone to be notified - whether it be yourself (via pager) although range is an issue - and you don't always know if your pager/vehicle can "see" each other, or via telematics ( Trackers etc) - at least this way, if you or anyone else is in a position to check the vehicle, you may catch the theif (not always a good idea) or at least scare them off... 3 - if they manage to get past your you-beaut alarm and silence it ( what is built by man can be destroyed by man) and immobiliser, then you want to know where your car is to aide in recovery - this is where trackers come into their own. In my profession I deal with most security companies and I have gotten to know a fair bit about their systems from both sides. I would love to know more details BY BY about those vehicles stolen with trackers that were not "seen"... Sure, it's possible, but it takes an awful lot of "situations" or "co-incidences" for this to happen and as someone suggested, they may have been inside jobs, or they may be genuine, but extremely unlucky. Here is a simple excercise that I perform when I park my car somewhere which may be outside the "view" of my tracking company. I call them and ask them "can you "see" my car. They "ping" the system and wait for a response. If they get none, I ask can they at least receive alarm notification (different system) - if the answer is NO for both - I move the car to a better location, or if they can receive alarm notification at least and there is no better location to park, I tell them exactly where the car is (ie, Level 5, Row 1, Westen side, Westfields Car park, Parramatta) and then if they get a signal (remember they use different methods for tracking vs alarm notification) they know where to dispatch a security guard if required etc All this adds a maximum of 5 mins to my door to door journey time, but at least I know where my car will be when I return. Car security begins with the owner taking reasonable precautions.

You have no Idea how tempting this is... I said I would never borrow money for another boat, but to see a 189 in such fine condition as this is very very tempting.... /me runs away from the computer screaming.........

Check your PM

I sold my Original 91 R32 GT-R with 104,000kms. - there was nothing wrong with that. most of the cars that come from Japan have this sort of kms or higher, it's just that some get wound back before going to auction, or after auction and before landing in australia. Ignore the odometer - drive the car, compression test it and listen to it, that will give you a better indication of the engine's condition. do the timing belt early if you are that concerned.. Looks a sweet ride, good luck selling.

I was Club Secretary and Treasurer of the (now defunct) NSW SVD owners club and I can tell you, even with about 40 regular members, it is a very hard and thankless job. Well down to the people who have stood up and taken the position, I don't envy you, but you have my respect and support.

Hey dudes I am in Belrose (R31 Silhouette) - sold the GT-R too long ago (www.angelfire.com/mb/southo) so lets not talk about that huh Unfortunately my Car is off the road at the moment so I am religated to use the g/f's commodore, so as long as you don't laugh at me, I might pop over and say g'day too. She will probably want to come too) If the commodore is not welcome, I'll ask Stuey and if he isn't going, I will bring ZILLA as he trusts me with it - (my g/f will DEFINITELY come then if she knows I am taking ZILLA out again....) I know a few others on here - Carlo (ex Sleeka carlo ?), Kabab and probably a few others by sight, but not name....

Just to let you know, the reason why your car wouldn't be covered is that the policy they have with the NRMA only covers damage where they are negligent. Of course they had no way of knowing about the break and enter, so they can not be deemed negligent. If they were driving your car , and pranged it, or if it fell off a hoist while they were working on it etc, then you may have some recourse. Get the repairer to check if he has any other policies in force to cover property belonging to customers whilct damaged/stolen etc over night. It's Not the insurance companies fault, it may be that the repairer didn't opt for maximum types of cover when they took out the policy in the first place. For a person/company/insurer to be held liable for any damage, they must be deems to be negligent. Cheers Southo