birds, from reading your posts i dont see u as a dumb bloke. But im sorry to say you can't choose to change the interpretation of hoons vs enthusiasts. An enthusiast doesn't even have to own a car. From a legal perspective you've broken the rules once you are a HOON. you get pulled over because you being an enthusiast decide to power slide once and cop busts you, is your defence going to be sorry sir i am not a hoon thankyou, i am an enthusiast. silly birdie