Nathan

Our PM on the back Of George W Just spent a motza on a free democratic election in another country they bombed the PHuck out of. Whilst at home the Local pm's want to decide what you want, Australian spec holden, ford, hyundai, Toyota or Mitsubishi? Pretty democratic? Say I want a car out of the USA??? Free trade with the US? how is that going to work???

If you build something idiot proof, Jebus or Mac Hummod will build a better idiot!

Im thinking of submitting this.... “P” plates are a scare. Not for only for the beholder, learning there that there is a whole new world out there far from your school friends & families. As for the parents, who virtually sh!t themselves every time the phone rings and their “P” plate driver is not home. I know my parents did. And Police, although legend has it that they are against the “P” Plate driver, ask any member of the force about dreading the “four o’clock knock”. Reality is: Traditionally, this is Government reaction to media, the only way left to voice concern to any Politician: Our State Government has failed “P” plate drivers. The RTA is controlled by this government………….. “P” plate drivers have minimal experience. “P” plate drivers make up a large percentage of accidents resulting in fatalities. Personally, I have reservations in the thought that “L” plates require a log book to be forged or worst case the parents actually teach their children their own bad habits. Stress and over commitment (Sydney Syndrome) should not be taken out on a vehicle. Nor passed to there siblings! Although the media are on this concern at the moment, our “P” plate road toll has fallen by 30% since 1986, due to vehicle quality increasing. But, our state Government will take credit for this explaining that it is speed cameras and not revenue raising. Although, the road toll started to fall before hand. I believe that this society has enough restrictions and laws as it is. I think the key is EDUCATION. Once again, the education system has failed. After all not many school kids go on to get their drivers license????…… As crazy as this will sound, I believe that we should reduce the age of “L” plates to 15! Christ, the education system teaches and tests them on trigonometry and sex education BEFORE the age of consent, which will save you or your child on a wet rainy night driving home! At the age of 15 you are able to obtain the right to “L” plates. You cannot drive supervised until such time as you are competent in knowing how the basics of a vehicle operates like, tyre tread requirements, brake operation, basic maintenance, washers wipers, understanding road conditions etc, how the day night mirror function works, seating positions (I’m sick of winding the drivers seat back forward in customers cars so I can see out of the windscreen) and so on. This test should be both practical and theory by a source other than the RTA or our education system, same as the stay upright course for motorcycles which has worked. The likes of “L’ Trent style driving schools will require more stringent driver training before being allowed to train (BTW loose the sign off the roof, I hated it and I sure most others do, “L” plates are enough). Additionals like the poor roads we have, belting into pot holes and the consequence of buckled rims & knackered tyres. We need honesty from the government we own. Once you pass the more stringent RTA “P” plate test at 17, you now have a licence to drive with the speed restriction and penalty points remaining the same. Restrictions come in with penalties. Should you be busted for any traffic offence within your “P” plate time then you have the ocupant restrictions enforced. Should you loose your license, its back to square one “L” Plates and first exam, and re-sit your “P” plates with power and passenger restrictions. That’s it, no compromise. I suppose if you show some respect in obeying the road rules then the respect is returned in no additional power, passenger restrictions. Kids, becoming adults are far taimer now, and I’m sick of hearing that TV, Sony etc is a concern, its not. Elvis, Beach Boys, Atari, Punk, Heavy Metal are all history. There will always be one in every crowd that is a concern, I am personally disappointed in Mr Carr for falling into this “easy way” i.e.: banning everything like Jet Skis in the “dead of the night”, and in turn I have not seen many Jet Ski riders in front of a commission, like Bob. Most people that enjoy motor sport and the vehicle they own or desire to own and don’t have the ability to use these vehicles as we would like. Motor sport is our nation’s third largest sport and trying to get out to the track for a belt can be a bit of a hassle or for the newbie a bit daunting. Maybe this is an area that can be addressed. WSID only happened after 4 or 5 years of constantly hassling Mr Carr????. EC Twilight sounded like an awesome idea. How about twilight motocana’s at St Ives (Honda Driver Training) centre, Richmond air base & Schofields old airdrome? My 2 c keep the change

I had a ball in the old girl! Thanks to John and the boys. Kel, thanks for some great shots of the skylines. Tosh, I'm sure some of the GTR owners were thinking WTF. Thanks again. Nathan

Hey Guys & Girls, Pete (Fatz) has asked me to bring my 1972 KGC10 out to Harold Park for the drift nat's after party. Info at this thread and Harold Park have beer!!! http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/sh...05&page=2&pp=25 My Boss (wife) will be bringing out the 31 GTS-R, yes it is real. Who else is going to bring there rides out? Datto/Skyline owners Park in the middle of the track.

Hero Thread..... We Were all Born To Drive When Young Dumb & Full Of ....... Fatz, Gonad Man & I Are Sitting here reading this crap. 1/ Blame everyone else. Government, Roads Sky Radio. 99% of the time IT IS BULLSHIT!!!! Cat, dog horse jumped out... never been thought of before?????? 2/ Younger "P" plate drivers are under under scrutiny because of fact (you are a danger to society) I was a lucky bastard and a total dick on the road. Thank God I was in a rual area. 3/ Why arn't you on the track if you are the god nut holding onto the steering wheel? 4/Blow off valve V's drive day what's better spent for performance? why is there such a poor attendance at drive days form under 21? All we want is not back off when Einstein with the "P" wants to show (Prove) how its done on the street, not the track. I'm sure that we are not the only three. Pete here... ive have never knocked anyone who want to learn on the track however all under 21 seem to be never there and or not asking for help Gonads here.... IMO 20 minutes on the track teaches you more about car control then 10 years on the road but.....I really don't think this is the answer for the less experienced drivers out there. As Aaron mentioned it's probably not driver training that we need but attitude training. The best driver can be more dangerous on the road than a crap driver as long as the crap driver knows he is crap. Research suggests that driver training can lead to more risk-taking behaviour. On the other hand most young male 16-25yo drivers will engage in risk taking behaviour anyway so it is probably better to equip them with the necessary skills to control a car when things go wrong. First priority is to somehow reduce risk-taking behaviour. This is very difficult to achieve as it's ingrained in us young blokes from day 1. Next best solution is to equip us with the skills to handle the stuff-ups caused by our inherently bad attitudes caused by upbringing and testosterone. Aaron can be a BIG help here. ...my 2c, thanks for listening. Off my soapbox now. In summary, what we are trying to say is if want want to impress, do it in the cot! not on the road, condoms are cheaper than under age excess.

Umm, I went to answer the phone...... and pete (Fatz) posted the last one (I thought he was looking at porn .... again)

shit i was once buff at 115kg now 127 im fat so my target is 115 im 6'5 and pretty wide. shoule be some fun and b man if you want to hit it im up to my 8th already... got to love friday baby come over tomorrow for more cans i say!!!! nath and i are going to take up squash maybe it will help Pete

Thanks goes to Tosh for arranging the hotel rooms, meeting points, bear hug with Pete (Fatz) which were all faultless. Although the old girl didn't exactly behave due to sh1t fuel & knackered fuel pump (Webbers hate running on dirt), I did manage a couple of laps, always worth it! Thanks to Jo & Ali for allowing us to trash their room. Chris, Noice drifts shame about track suits & thongs! Pete..... I still haven't driven the 808 yet. Can't wait to see some pics.

Well Peter & I don't drink that much so you may have to look at entertainment from the others.

Tosh, Alistair is also coming down on Sunday so he will need a bed as well. Cheers Nathan

Yep, I'll be there. I'm still trying to talk Fatz into a few beers down there on Sunday night.

Sorry Duncan, I tried to post some pic's of the old girl & R31 but.. 'ed it, need to be more leared. I got a call from Targa about the old girl yesterday,wanting to know where my application was. Are you entering?

Duncan, MMMM OZDAT. I missed out on the Monsta Truck but I got one today/tonight about 10 min ago! In turn, I just ordered the plates, 31GTSR, its a real one in blue! hows DAT going to sit next the old girl! Bring it on!!!!!

Yep, I've learned hard, now you promised another porn link. WHERE IS IT DUNCAN. Cheers mate

Gonad Man, Gonad Man, Gonad man...... I apreciate your comment about My KGC10 NOT 110. Am I ugly enough to by a Hyundai ST Little I yet.? BTW Pete said you new toy is a bit of a weapon

Here we go again……… I received a copy of a letter from DOTARS (Department of Transport) today, asking for expressions of interest in changing of the rules for 15 year old imports as of the 1st of January 2005. DOTARS main concerns are: • The sharp increase in 15 year old import approvals • Businesses that are establishing/trading in 15 year old imports • Safety and emission concerns where these vehicles don’t meet Australian Standards, with a special mention about Japanese Imports. • The impact on the new SEVS/RAWS scheme. DOTARS remedy is for us to tick one of three choices. 1/ Leave it as it is 2/ “Cap” the system to 01-01-1989 so no vehicles after this date are eligible (NO R32) 3/ Change the rule to 30 years or older. I would suggest that the sharp increase is because the vehicles eligible as of 2004 are more commonly desirable, R32, Z32 300ZX, Q45 Infinity, MX5, Series 5 RX7, Celsior (LS400) etc. If these vehicles were not in the Australian Market under full volume (Poverty Pack), they were here under the old CPA scheme. All vehicles (with the exception of the “Aussie Icons??”) are modified to meet Australian Standards, regardless if new or second hand imports and all must have an SAE Engineers endorsement. Secondly, I dare say that the majority of RAWS have already bought 15 year old imports. If this letter is anything like the previous correspondence regarding the transition from CPA to RAWS/SEVS, the decision has been made in our interest…NOT! If you guys feel the same way I do I can put the email address up on the board so you can forward your views directly to the person instigating this discussion? Velcome to Australia Comrade

Well done Fatz. The Fosters we (you) had this afternoon is not beer. Love the excuse and I do agree that the water will dilute your carbs.... Always here to help, see you tomorrow............... Now I Know of your diet, I think your the driver or is it NY Tea.

HELLOOOOOOO, The day was a fantactic success From What I Hear. Enough of the doo gooders... where is the money!!!!!!!!!!!! The list is there for all to see. Show the MONEY.

Sorry Oz GTR97V, I was one of the Ba5tards that did not show. I did some engine damage at the Arron Mcgill night & tried on Friday to post a message... no go. I mentioned it to fatz on the phone. However if the numbers are not made up fair is fair. I am good for my word and inturn have been in contact with Dave from Motoconcepts and have already transfered $100 directly into their account. I hope others can do the same. Nathan

Sorry not KCC BUT KGC10 that is

Yep, count me in. Fatz was going to book me in but.... Beer. I'm going to bring the old girl out (KCC10 that is).