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You should have used dry ice, no water. What you essentially did was my setup without the 6 or so PSI of boost. Without the throttle body, my set up cools the air going into the engine which is essentially what you did with the ice. My mods would cost a maximum of $200... $100 for used intecooler $20 for pod $10-30 for any old throttle body $50 for silicone joiners, clamps and beer So $200 for a 45+ kw gain is pretty amazing bang for the buck.

Not quite, Matt. Since there's no "forced" induction, you're really relying upon ambient air getting a bit sped up as the throttle body opens. Adding a second one will just slow it all down and probably have a negative effect. You could get a greater effect on an N/A zed with two intercoolers and two intakes on the same plenum, but that's another story.

I'm a newbie yet you don't know how to intercool an N/A car? I have heard of a go pro, but have you heard of background noise? The throttle body opening isn't as audible as say, someone hitting gate. The noise is definitely audible but not to that extent. I might get him to do a fly by later. Plus, I don't have a go pro. Idk why you need to hear it when you can see it and the dyno sheet is there.

The proof is in the dyno sheets my man.

Weight can definitely be shaved off cams by taking material off the cam lobes, unless you know what you're doing though, you shouldn't do it. Valve timing becomes affected. You didn't waste your money turboing your car, I'm just enlightening everyone to the fact that there's more than one way to skin a cat. 177rwkw in a light 20DE GTS is pretty fun!

How? The intercooler won't fill up with air if the car is stationary and I don't intend on hanging off the front of the car risking my life just to record a sound clip for someone who has nothing positive to say, anyway.

Dyno sheet before and after, the red line is without the intercooled setup and the green is the intercooled setup. Names have been cut out.

FWIW, this car has been running reliably for a few months now. I'll post a dyno sheet.

You're an idiot... There is a hard pipe piece in between the pod and the coupler, it isn't clamping down on silicone! Plus, the throttle body prevents a backfire coming back through the intercooler.

Alright guys, if you want to naturally boost an N/A, follow my write up. It should look something like this: The throttle body is harder to get photos of, as it's further up inside the front bar after a hard pipe coming from the intercooler, but it's very self explanatory. Pod > intercooler > throttle body > piping > car throttle body Don't forget to gut the AFM and lay all your parts out and make sure you have enough silicone joiners and things like that to make it work. Post up your pics!

I'm heading over there in a while man. Sit tight.

I hope to God that you've never picked a spanner up and used it on a vehicle if you can't understand the simple concept of an intercooled N/A engine. Why would I bother doing a mini how to if I hadn't seen the results first hand? Just wait until I get to my mates house and take a pic of his set up. It's very tidy and is a huge improvement over stock.

For all the naysayers that would probably struggle to change the oil in their car, I'm heading to a mates house for drinks later. He has an intercooled N/A R32. I'll post a pic of his setup.

Far out, some people don't read... I never said CHANGE the throttle body. I said put one (an extra one) on the intercooler pipe work before the throttle body on the intake manifold. The throttle body on the pipe work isn't attached to a cable. It just works off its own spring pressure. Once the intercooler fills up, the throttle body will be forced to open and then the air that enters the intake manifold is pressurised to a certain degree (roughly 6 psi depending on how strong the spring is on the throttle body). The same result can be achieved with a valve but it's more effort. The throttle body has a large diameter and the butterfly opens and shuts by itself with the amount of air running past it. It's a very simple method. It also allows the car to idle because it doesn't shut completely. It won't run QUITE as fast as a turboed car running 6 PSI, but it's a damn good increase for a little amount of work. Gutting your AFM definitely increases your power a little bit, as there is less of a restriction to slow the air down. You can run a little bit rich but that doesn't matter because you're forcing extra air into the engine. Don't gut the AFM unless you're fitting an intercooler and a means of controlling the air flow (valve or throttle body). Just try it. If you don't like the results you can remove the parts and save them until you turbo the car, you're gunna need the parts anyway.

Why not do it now and just enjoy the extra power until you've got a full licence? The power gains to be had with an intercooled naturally boosted CAI set up in an N/A are phenomenal when you consider how hard it is to get power out of an N/A. Everything you use will be used again in the future when you turbo it. Everyone is right, your car does look like a factory N/A, so it will have higher compression which means it won't be as fast/torquey as a low comp motor without the compression restricting it, but with my write up you can get a hell of a lot more power man For even more gains you can remove your air flow meter, gut it and reinstall it. The AFM is only a restriction really. Literally a 10-15 minute job if you've got a big ass screwdriver to smash the guts out of it with and you'll gain 15 or so HP and your car will rev up much faster.

Idk what you mean, mate. My methods are tried and proven. Foxy Box, your car looks great. It'd look fantastic with a big shiny cooler with a pod hanging off the end of it. Do it and post results!

Sorry for sharing the truth man, I'm just sick of all these turbo wankers thinking that N/A's are slow when there easy to get great power out of. Turbos aren't the be all, end all of performance.

OP, don't listen to the idiots in this thread, I'd be willing to bet that your car IS in fact a low comp N/A (turbo removed) and furthermore, an intercooler is definitely a wise investment to make your non turbo car faster. In most instances, a low compression non turbo motor will eat high comp N/A motors due to the simple fact that the less compression there is, the easier the pistons can move up and down. The less compression, the harder you can push the car! Why do you think people lower the compression when they turbo N/A cars? People tell you that it's to cope with the boost, but that's just misinformed garbage. High comp is a power killer. It's harder for the pistons to move up and down, end of story. A trick that some savvy modders and most decent engine builders use is to even remove an exhaust valve from each pot just to get things moving quicker. Now, onto the intercooler... You've got a great performing (from the sound of it anyway ) low comp car. How can you get it to go even faster? You cool the air going into it with an intercooler. You're going to need 3 main things and a few other odds and ends to get it all together. 1. The thickest intercooler you can find, the more volume, the better. 2. A throttle body 3. A pod filter Now, what you're going to do is fit the intercooler in a place that's going to get a lot of airflow. Ideally you'd mount it in front of your bumper bar, but that's not going to go down well with the cops, so mount it behind it, just hack the front bar up a lot! On the intake side of the cooler, fit the pod. Make sure air can get to the pod easy enough, PVC pipe comes in handy here if you want to make a duct for increased performance On the other side of the cooler, you're going to get some silicone piping and join the throttle body onto the cooler, and then run more piping straight up to the throttle body on your intake manifold. Now, why are we doing this you ask? What is the point of the other throttle body? Well, it's simple. You don't NEED a turbo to generate boost. Sure, it helps, but there are other ways that are efficient and legal for a P plater. Without the throttle body, the air would just run through the cooler and into the intake. Sure, it would be an efficient cold air intake, but we are hunting for more power here and that's where the throttle body comes in. The throttle body will remain shut until the intercooler has reached its maximum capacity, and the the air will force it open as you increase in speed and the cooler is full. This will force the cold air straight into your engine. This method is good enough for generating around 6 psi of boost. It's a damn good amount of boost when you consider you're not wasting energy spooling up a turbo or running a supercharger! Your car will be chirping second like no tomorrow, you'll be the envy of your mates and you'll leave those pesky cops gob smacked when they think they've got a p plater driving a turbo and you prove them wrong. There's nothing quite as satisfying as that! If you need anymore information about how to set this up, just post in this thread. I'll check it. Please update with pics, we need some more natural boost threads around here. Hope this helps!

This thing is sick!

No dramas, mate. If you want the drop on our race locations, just send me a PM. We've got a Daihatsu Sirion owner ready to blow the shit out of a big headed R35 driver this Friday night.

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No video of the Courier V Gallardo. In my crew, we race like men. Public roads where the footpaths are littered with prams and the streets are full of traffic. It may be a slight advantage for the courier to race in these conditions since we cut his springs and squished a shitload of bundy cans (gotta keep hydrated whilst street racing) together to make lightweight lowering blocks for the rear. A hell of a lot of swerving in between daily commuter cars goes on in our races and the Gallardo just can't cut it with the factory suspension. There's no doubt about it though, the courier is an absolute weapon and there's no need to spend big coin on a lambo. All that accomplishes is a loss at every set of lights.

If you guys want tips for anything else or want me to give you the low down on any other car comparison, don't hesitate to give me a shout. You'd be surprised at how much of an edge I can give you over your opponent. You'd be shocked to know that a ford courier actually has more potential than a Gallardo, but it's true and I can tell you how.

That's the one I'm referring to, and it's one of the nicest burbs in Sydney. No crime, good views of the national park, clean, nice houses, etc.