thanks for the wealth of info, gives me a few more specifics to google now. i don't wanna spend 30k on something, just wanna get something that has a little bit of kick and i can have a good time in, i've never rallied before in my life so i wanna be able to learn the ropes. found some basic WRX's, early 90's with no modifications for around 5 - 6k all under 200k on the clock, so i might look at playing with something like that.
cheers
darren