Steve

Dean, its mature dammit. Miss*33 nah, not really, it was just a 'target of opportunity' - age you know, gotta take when you can get em:D

Some nice points there Dean, thanks.

I have, first one I went to:p But it was a pretty big cruise with 10,000 (ok I exagerate) people on it. Best if they are of a more conservative size I think:)

Fark, I did go on a bit then:D

Cheeky, I think that system is in place in NSW. BUT in NSW it costs bugger all to get something engineered. This is another aspect I want to use, the fact that the govt is missing out on revenue, as in other states you pay to have mods engineered (at a reasonable cost) then take it to get the RTA to rubber stamp it. Costs nothing (to them), takes no time and raises money in the form of 'Stamp Duty' It also means that people will have mods properly checked, this is a service to the public, instead of making the cost so exorbitant that now one will get mods certified, just stock out a car and then remod it after inspection. It makes a farce of the whole vehicle inspection process, and a mockery of the law, it also means that people are more likely to unknowingly have mods incorrectly done. If you had to pay a 'certified' mechanic to perform mod (a mechanic who has been approved for standards compliance), then you could take the certificate from that mechanic to Transport SA, pay your $30 to have a piece of paper that tells the cops they can put their defect pad back in the glove box and go and chase some criminals - I dont think there are too many people here that wouldnt do it. Most people that I know dont mind getting pulled over if they do something wrong, but when you get pulled over because you have modified a car by putting better suspension on, then get defected for having suspension that is beyond anything that is used by all but the best vehicle manufacturers in the world, and is light years ahead of locally produced OEM suspension, then have to remove it (why, is making a car perform better a crime - should get rewarded with reduced insurance, not penalised) it makes a car safer. Vehicle mods are something that has been done since cars were first invented, it will never stop and you cant stop it, but you can make it reasonable, and serve the community by making sure mods are correctly carried out. By putting the cost of certification beyond the reach of the average person, they just wont get their mods certified - who does that serve? People just thumb their noses at unreasonable rules, always have always will - they serve no one especially the law. Bottom line is, all public servants, and all laws are there to serve the community, the laws that surround vehicle modifications serve no one. The police would be better off taking the time to serve a defect to patrol for criminal behaviour, the guy at regency would be better off if all he had to do was check what is written on the cert is infact what has been done, and the public would be better off if they had correctly modified cars on the road. Hey the coppers might even find more time to defect the rust buckets out there.

Another example, I asked a guy if the fact that I had a bigger turbo was a problem, he told me to forget it, may as well take the car back interstate and sell it cos it will cost more than the car is worth. I asked why, he told me cos emissions testing and engineers cert is so expensive. I asked why it needed a full engineer certificate and to be emissions tested - he got angry and told me that it is the law and dont be smart. I genuinely wanted to know why it made it necessary to have those things done, all he said is if it isnt OEM, they cant pass it? And he either didnt know or wouldnt tell me why? I asked where I could get a copy of the ADRs - he told me that they werent available, they were too technical and I wouldnt understand them, that was his job to interperate them (not the engineer HE had the final say). This is from someone who gave me he had the IQ of a rock ape. This is totally unacceptable. Like I posted up before, I understand that some people wouldnt want their name brandished before anyone, so if you wouldnt be willing to write a stat dec, just say so.

And to reiterate, if they are doing their job correctly, what have they to fear - nothing at all. A good shake up of the regulations will benefit everyone, and this is just that, obviously the regulations are not clearly defined in ADRs, because everyone interperates them differently.

Atmo vent BOV is illegal, because it allows the crank case gasses to vent to atmo. ADRs clearly state that all vehicle emissions must exit via the exhaust system. I understand that this is treading a fine line, but what else can you do? I am sick of it. the people I have spoken to have been very unco-operative, and condescending. When I asked what mods I could get passed they told me to just do them and then birng the car in - then they will tell me if it complies or not, or if I need to go to an engineer - I mean WTF is that all about. they also told me that if an approved engineer certifies a mod, that doesnt mean they will pass it - what I would like to know is how in hell they can say that a member of SAE-A and IE Aust who has a degree in mechanical engineering, and is a certified engineer, know less than them? A mechanic who didnt want to work on cars anymore????? They are totally out of control, and it just rubs me the wrong way that because they hold the cards they arent accountable. It rubs me the wrong way when people are law unto themselves. I dont like just sitting back bitching about it and doing nothing. All it would take is one person to be wrongfully failed, and it leaves the gates open for legal action. And why not. If I do the wrong thing at work, I can be fined, or even imprisoned as I am a public servent and I have a duty to perform all my tasks legally. If someone at Regency does their work properly, why would they be worried, all they are supposed to do is ensure that cars are roadworthy. The only people that have anything to worry about are those that dont enforce the law correctly - and just like anybody who is a part of officialdome, they have an obligation and a legal duty to do so - otherwise they can be taken to task by the law. All I am saying, is that for too long it appears to me that too many people have been making up the rules as they go along - they are paid by our taxes and the fees that people pay to have cars inspected. WE are the customers, shouldnt we demand customer service? And if the state law wants to try and overrule ADRs, then they MUST have a good reason for doing so. If they dont, then a federal court can certainly bring them into line. Its just not good enough - this is a democracy, lets exercise the rights that come with a democracy. Until people stand up and say enough, it will continue. You yourself asked why you have to prove the legality of your car, when they cant prove its illegality, so why the big about face? Its the little things that really shit me, an example is the turbo timer. What the hell is so wrong with having a device to protect your engine? FFS even the manufacturer recommends you idle a turbo car for the specified period before shutting it down. BUT here, oh no, if you have a turbo timer you may leave your car running and walk away - next thing they will be putting 60kph speed limiters on cars because you may speed, but they will only do that to performance cars because if you owned a bog stock commodore you would never dream of speeding. If someone leaves their car running and gets caught, sure give them a fine, just like if you speed, or dont use your indicator, but to regulate what can be fitted on the off chance that you may break the law - its just not right anyway you look at it. It just shits me.

The word is mature...:shake: :shake: :shake:

Also, anybody from interstate, if you can post up discrepancies between state to state interpretation of ADRs would be helpful too. Thanks.

Hi all, Well a few of you may have read a few of my bitches about the inconsistancy at regency, the uncooperative nature of those I have phoned and apparent differences between ADR interpretation in this and other states. I intend to put together a submission requesting detailed repsonses to questions posed about these inconsistencies, such as not being able to get a copy of ADRs prior to commencing mods, a lack of guidance on the legality of mods, people being able to get a certain mod passed no quesitons asked, whilst others dont, why regency dont issue certificates to say specific mods have been inspected and correct, why fittment of a different turbo requires a full emissions test, when an AFM measures the air with total disregard for the turbo why different people at regency give different answers as to legality of modifications why a turbo timer is illegal (i was told you cant leave a car running and walk away, well you can do that with the ignition, and just because it is fitted doesnt mean you will, esp as it serves a purpose and I thought we were innocent until proven guilty.) I could go on forever, I found the people at regency very uncooperative, esp when I asked what specific ADRs apply to certain mods and why they are illegal - I got a respoonse of 'it just is, we interperate the ADRs not you, we wont give you a copy because they are too complex and you wouldnt understand them. What I would like is if anybody out there has come up against apparently inconsistant application of ADRs, for example whatsisname being told to remove a Momo steering wheel, whilst being able to keep a pillar pod. If you have any crazy stories, or have been treaded poorly, please post up, but be very specific. It would be even more beneficial if you are willing to put in a Statutory Declaration, and have dates, times and names. Any help would be greatly appreciated, I intend putting this submission in to the Attorney General's Office - and hopefully get SA out of the dark ages, and off our backs. Cheers Steve

Miss*33 you are a bully, leave the youngun's alone.

ROFL Hiep, sorry to brake the news, but its not this sunday, its sunday next. You need to go on this cruise, you been working so hard you dont know what week it is! Miss*33, Always?????

Oh, and a stock turbo will not like being at +7 for very long, they have a habbit of spitting the turbine wheel out the exhaust. Best sort the rest of the setup first, then buy a nice HKS, Trust or Apexi turbo and wind in 15-17lbs no probs:)

Your guage reads in x100mmHg, about 3.5 is about 7psi. +7 is acutally around 14psi, which is well beyond the safety of the stock turbo - you may get away with it for a while if you have a FMIC and decent exhaust, but it wont last. You +3.5 indicates to me that you dont have an aftermarket exhaust? Or if you do, its not flowing very well - best sort that out before you start tweaking boost, remeber the exhaust gasses have to go somewhere, or they decrease engine efficiency, so you should try and get your exhaust flowing as well as possible. As an added bonus, you will get more boost with a free flowing exhaust. The stock boost guages are not in my opinion to be trusted anyhow, as they are not calibrated well enough to read accurately,and have few pressure scale markings. to increase boost you will need either a bleeder which is quite cheap, or an EBC which isnt so cheap.

Well then, that means you can't come:p

JimX, I just used the injector correction in the' ign/ijn' function in settings menu. This is not perfect, but it allows you to drive the car, then get it tuned ASAP. WORD OF CAUTION, this setting is temporary, and must be re-entered whenever you restart the engine, as you will probably find out, cos mine just didnt run without it:) The 'injector' function in settings menu is used to correct the injectors individually so the car can run in closed loop etc on the road, and should be adjusted when the tune is being done. You cant just change those settings and drive away happy. This is what I found, and what I was told by a mech mate. The primary and secondary settings you talk of are for RX7.

They will allow you to dial in your cams. On a R33 GTSt, BOOSTD got an extra 13rwkw at peak, with alot more midrange (up to 20ishrwkw from memory) plus boost started 200rpm earlier. He had 253rwkw when he put it on, 266 when it was set. I have seen them for as little as 150 for a set second hand, but they are rare to see. New over seas they are around $150 each for HKS (www.greenline.jp), here in Aus, as mentioned $220 - 250 each.

Yes it does come with a stock map, and yes it is better than the Ser 1 stock ecu map, and yes install away. I noticed a definate power increase, not huge though. When it went on the dyno, AF ratios were still very rich, I think the base map may have a little more timing though which helps. After fitting it was some 2 weeks before I got it tuned, and I had no problems even at WOT. Be aware though, if it is second hand (probably good to do if it is new too) you should reset it. You should teach it to idle before driving it around too.

Well if the injectors were at 100% at 500hp, then yes, but they were at 90% which means they are being stretched by 25%, as if the stock injectors were at 90% they would only be flowing 333cc.

I would suggest two things, First get a decent front mount. I dont think detonation would be a huge problem with the 8.5:1 CR, although a bad tune, or one close to the edge will cause detonation if you get a bad batch of fuel, a hot day, plugs are getting long in the tooth, etc all could cause detonation. This is even more likely if you start tweaking your AF ratios, and alot more likely if you dont have a front mount, or you dont adjust your ignition timing to match. The R32 can be boosted a bit higher than the R33, even with stock turbo. Just fitting a stock cooler will allow you to do this pretty safely. Another reason for a good front mount, you turbo wont like boosting with the stock cooler, they have a pretty huge pressure drop at higher rpm, and dont really cool the charge air a whole lot. Lastly, I would suggest you look into getting your stock ecu remapped, it will allow you to not only do fuel but also ignition which is very important. A fuel computer is a bit of a band aid IMHO. I am not saying they are a bad thing, just esp as you have an R32, get it remapped as you will have MUCH better results. I believe BMT do remaps in Melb? Have heard some good comments about their (Dr Drifts) work with the R32 ECU. You also need to be ready to start considering an upgraded fuel pump around this stage. Just my 0.02 anyways. EDIT: and dont worry with a supra cooler, get a decent aftermarket one, or a GTR one if you find one cheap enough.

I got 112.7% for the injectors, divide 417 by 370 and multiply by 100. BUT If the 417 is at 90% duty cycle (which I think? Paul mention the injectors were at), 100% would be 463 which is 125% approx of the 370cc injectors (remebering that 370 is 100% of the stock injectors) IF my maths is right.

I am not so sure:) At the moment Morpowa had a couple of 'emergency' jobs, so I told them to just finish mine when the time frees up. Probably end of this week or sometime next week now. I would much rather that no one rush when working on my car, and also, one day if I have an emergency, perhaps someone else will be as kind. So when is your booked in for Greg?

Thats splitting hairs a bit isnt it? Full boost in my book is the max boost that is being run, so it may be 1 bar if you are running 1 bar, or 1.5 if you are running 1.5bar boost. If you dont know what max boost someone is running, then yes, the terms full boost or max boost by themselves would be very arbitary.

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