Its ridiculous, all these n00b's with 15 posts are acting like they are gods gift to driving and have never sped anywhere or done anything illegal in their lives. Sounds like they are either cops or absolute wankers who think they know everything. Anyone who knows anything knows that statistics can be swayed any way you want it. The government and worst of all the police are still of the "huge" belief that p platers are the sole cause for the road toll!! If you have the facts its far from the truth and in fact even their own agencies don't agree! Its all propaganda made to warrant the amount of targeting, fines they give out and new laws such as this bullsh*t one einstein has been hit with. A great example is the double fine period at christmas...we almost never exceed the monthly quota of lives lost in that period, so why the extra news, press and fines...one reason, revenue. You can say well if your breaking the speed limit you deserve to get caught, well sure thats true, but is it saving lives...answer, no. More police presence and more expensive fines didn't reduce the road toll and it never does. geeteaess_turbo, maxe, get off your high righteous horses and go back to posting crap on dobinadope.com i'm sure you've done illegal things in the past and will do more illegal things in the future...or maybe your all 60 yo females who actually cause more crashes than anyone else in the female category per year? Or maybe your 40yo's who are also only about 15lives behind the p platers every year. Either way, facts don't lie, ppl break the law..not just ppl in skylines and performance cars and fining people non stop and creating new laws to make people lose their license quicker is not the solution to bringing down the road toll..and neither is winging about the people who break the speed limit. If some of you guys aren't cops already you really should enlist, they are looking for your type all the time.