300zx Or R32 Skyline

[r32skyline_89]

300 SUCK. stick with a cheap car till you can afford a turbo skyline. No point buying a NA R32 because eventually your gonna want more power and want to put a turbo on it. Then your spending more money than you would have just to buy a r32 gts-t anyway. And gettn a factory turboed 32 your getting bigger brakes, 5 stud wheels, LSD etc rather than putting it all on your NA just be patient

[32vspecII]

go the pulsar SSS

a friends mild tune extractors/exhaust/pod kept up pretty well with my stock sr20det 180sx

or a s13 n/a then engine transplant when you get off restrictions

[Marsss]

Dude

All that b...s..t about 300 is not true.Well one thing is and that is that they are tigth to work with. But appart fromt that they are exellent car to have.Even N/A will pump out 163kw which is pretty cool, will give you alot of grunt and that sex appeal of 300zx that is quite rare. Yeah well they will cost a bit of money to look after if you buy a piece of s..t that cost you say under ten grands.Consider this, 300zx was over 80 grands when new and was aimed at the big fish like M3, AMG and Porsche so that is the reason as why some maintenace tasks will require more money then r32. 300 is a grand tourer, not your average Joe from around the corner.You cant expect to neglect it, mind you if you get a helathy one and believe me ther are a few around if you dont want to bite the bullet and imoprt. Service it regularly look after it , hook up some good exhaust, dumP pipe AND set of filters and you will be on a good path to keep up with some v8, not only that but smaller capacity turbo engines AS WELL. How do i know? Well easy i had one. Last but not the least, do not buy AUTO as reconditioning is very expensive (over $2000) go manual which will give you a rigid strenght box with second to none problems

Cheers

BLACK R

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W3rd! although it'd probably pay off in the long run to wait till you clear restrictions dude.

[BLACKR]

Justa quick question regarding a few guys bagging 300zx.Have you actually had one? And if you did, how much you spent on it?

Please dont just post and say 300 suck without technically backing it up.Sucks by what?, how, what is wrong with it? Ok i know what you gonna say"engine is cramped, it overheats, small back room etc, etc. All of the above and most of the problems are associated with the lack of the maintenance, not with the car coming crappy of the production lane. I'm currently driving a skyline, so please dont think that i am Z biased, not at all.tHIS IS THE THEORY IF YOU CHOOSE WISELY AND SPEND MORE, YOU ARE likely to get a good car (doesnt that work with most of the things in life? ) . Z is agrand tourer and technically is far more advanced then many nowadays cars, not to metion cars form an era when Z 32 was built. Just a reminder to most of the people, Z was suposed to be a flag ship of a company but was rightfully overtaken by skyline. One more time , dude if you've got the many i would not think for a second and would get 300, if not buy what you can afford or wait till you save up enough.Any how 300 will piss over ca18, r32 non turbo looks wise perfo4rmance wise handling wise. $15000 garnds should get you in adecent 300 these days as the prices have gone down.Go Aussie spec or speak to one of the reputable importers such as prestige, j-spec etc.These two should look after you very well.

Cheers

Black R

[BLACKR]

W3rd! although it'd probably pay off in the long run to wait till you clear restrictions dude.

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i REALLY HAVE "difficulties" FOLLOWING WHAT YOU'VE GOT IN YOUR MIND Dude?

[Cubes]

300's are ugly, worse than my 32. lol

[Marsss]

i REALLY HAVE "difficulties" FOLLOWING WHAT YOU'VE GOT IN YOUR MIND Dude?

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As in... make sure you're off yr P plates

[Deluxe]

I say run the S13 Sr20 ATMO Mannual Kit, wheels, sus, exhaust and pod and you'll be cheering!!

[BLACKR]

As in... make sure you're off yr P plates

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Couldn'T AGREE MORE WITH YOU ON THAT ONE

[doommachine]

Haha.. how bout an OLD Z! 240 is awesome, for ten you'll get one that is in good nick.

Or, if you want a scary car that's cheap, pick up a 2l escort, I got one for 2 grand with mags, race seats, twin 40 webers, extractors, rally cams, tramp rods ()... sierra cosworth 5 speed.. XB GS bonnet scoops.. They're easy as to fix as well, because they're light to jack, and being old, quite simple. Not bad cars, really nice handling, does exactly what you tell it. I "lost control" quite often on dirt tracks on the way to my work, no worries, remove accelerator, point wheel. (Accelerate more for drift ) Good car I think for a learner driver, and relatively cheap to mod as you become more confident. When I was looking for cars not long ago, I saw many for about the 5 grand mark that were PIMPED.

As far as the Z, I have a z31, and yes, they are a pig to work on. There is just no room in the engine bay. The engine bay in the Z32 is about the same size, but the engine is bigger. If you want to spend 3 hours throwing a hammer at your spark plug leads, get a Z. But, they are reliable as, the only issue is troubleshooting the freaking nissan ECCS. If ONE SENSOR screws up, the whole car runs like utter crap. When the crank angle sensor died in mine, the ECU kept telling me that the oxygen sensor and MAF were dead, even though they were both new. Also, getting things like the timing belt changed, due to the complexity of the engine etc, is quite expensive.

I think that really, you should get a car that you can deal with, drive it, see how you like it, the visibility etc. If you get a non turbo car that comes in turbo trim, you will be tempted to spend money "turboing" it - this is expensive.

Ah, and to answer your original question directly, between non turbo r32 and 300zx - the Z, definitely Lovely lovely cars to drive. And, less people will try to race you like idiots, and less commodore drivers will throw beer bottles at you, and less traffic cops will pull you over. And you can get leather interior.

[PORTS]

As a Z32 300ZX owner, i quite enjoy reading all the mis-information going around at the moment. I keeps the Zed less like a taxi, as you can spot a liner at almost every set of lights these days. If it's you first car, don't buy a Zed. Better to get something you can handle and manage finacially, as insurance is rediculous for P platers. B)

[BOOSTD]

I have a 93 300ZX and a 98 GTR. So no bias. I can say the Z is a very nice car to drive, is great fun during summer and looks very modern for it's age. I haven't had any issues with it at all. Insurance is ok since it as an Aust spec non-turbo. Don't get me wrong tho, it's still packs a punch. I actually bought the Z to drive while I fix the 3rd gear i broke in the R. If anyone would like it when I'm done (very soon) They can have it for $10600, Ferrari tail light conversion and all.

[Michael_1882]

300zx has my vote, you can pick up really good NA's for around 10, with out really anywork needed. If your planing on getting one, get it now not in 5months, apparently legislation has changed with improting 15yo cars so ive herd they recon the zx's will go back up in price.

I feel the zx turns more heads then a stock r32, (thats jsut my oppinion) my mate owned one for a few months and there not as common as skylines, so when you see one with the roof of you tend to get alot of looks.

As for visibility, i drove the zx and its pritty piss poor for a young driver, my first skyline i drove was the r33 gtst, and i felt like i was sitting in a high chair compared to the zx, so as for visability the skyline has my vote. When leanring a new car, if you get a z32 and it has a front bar, on it i dought it'll last, its really hard to tell where the front of the car is on the z32, alot of guess work, wich is hard when your learning a new car.

As for parts i don't agree with ppls comments, the aus300zx forum is a graet source for offen perfect second hand parts. First of all the NA engine is bullet proof, but if parts are needed ppl are forever writing these cars of, as my friend did, now we have been stripping her down and selling part of it, and i tell ya you can pick up alot of parts very very cheep. Thats also how i can comment on the z32 engine bay, freom stippring it all over i can tell you working on it sucks LOL you need to be 12years old with small hands to get into half the places.

As a young P plater with the new regulations (thanks god i got it a few months before) you should hold onto it for the 3 years or w/e it is, and then sell it and buy a turbo'd skyline. Honstly i feel a stock NA Z32 would out run a stock NA r32 no questions asked, others will argue, but after racing around in one, you will see how well the z's handle the corners, i thinks its becuase there really wide low cars, im not sure.

Anyway thats my 2cents worth, but i would go the 300zx

I was in your boat about 1 week ago tossing upbetween a skyline or zx, and i ended up with the r33 gtst and coudlnt' be happy, but if i was on the new regulations with non turbo requirments i would probably has chosen the z32.

Edited January 20, 2006 by Michael_1882

[rb25]

I'd go the 300, R32's are gutless at the best of times, even with a turbo.

-rb25

[Cubes]

I beg to differ.

The R32 RB25DE will spank a 300 and a R33 RB25DE.

The R32 RB20DET running mild mods, exhaust, fmic and max boost the ecu can handle before fuel cut or R&R is quicker than an R33 T with the same mods.

The only time the R33 T is quicker is when its either dead stock or has had the afr's played with via a pfc or safc.

[tik4rd]

I own a 280zx with a fully worked 351 cleavland in it and a 300zx tt and no skylines here can keep up with eithe including 1godzilla, most of the skylines here have the powe of the line but loose it in top end grunt. Where as the 300zx just keeps going.

[Big Rizza]

Any reason you limited yourself to those two choices? If you're after a stylish nat-atmo coupe, what about:

Mitsubishi FTO

Mazda MX-5

Toyota Celica

Honda Integra

Toyota MR2

Toyota Soarer 3.0 litre

Nissan Silvia S13 Q's

Toyota Supra SZ

Mazda RX-7 FC

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This thread is almost 11 months old

[Modena]

Why dont you stick to a cheap, slow Lancer on your Ps, save up all your money till you get off your Ps and when you turn 21 buy a nice turbo R33-R34?

[Savage Bliss]

I'd go the 300, R32's are gutless at the best of times, even with a turbo.

-rb25

What a ridiculous comment...

Go the dirty poo...