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i dont think he can afford to be too picky here... if RBR offers him something, he should take it. Personally i just dont see him going to Reault.

Webber doest have the race wins, pole positions or the outstanding driving skill to put him ahead of the crowd. Sure he's good, but he's not exactly lighting up the race track

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neither was alonso or fisi when they went to renault. both had big successs in other categories and so has mark webber. dont kill this dream for me!!!!1111 But i suspect you are right, and he will be at RBR. :thumbsup:

Fisi yes, is useless, absolutely useless. How he couldn't overtake Schumi at Hungary is still beyond me.......BUT...I would beg to differ on Alonso. He was always Fast, he was Briatore's prodigal son. He has always shown up his teammates.

Webber was stooged with a SHITBOX of a car has never been given the opporunity to show what he can do. And unfortunately that's what people remember... good performances. His car imo has robbed him of a batter seat

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Personally i was hopeing Rubens would get the break through for them ;)

Im with you. But even with the retirements he was racing well. He inherited the lead but it was a long way from a soft win, in those conditions he kept hin nose clean and didnt go backwards at any stage with tyre decision.

As for the RBR, thing. Ppl keep saying they have Newey on the aero. No doubt they will improve. but how many WDC or WCC have McLaren won lately, with great drivers, good budget, works engine deal, and expereinced management? RBR dont have near what McLaren had, and they had Newey for a heel of a lot longer, so the Team aspect would of been workign really well

RBR will improve, but Newey couldnt make the fast McLaren reliable or a championshiop winner of late, so i cant see his single inclusion as being the coming of RBR.

Im still hoping Webber will be at Renault, but would love to see him alongside a driver liek DC.

Yeh i noticed that as well. I remember watching him in the wet at Phllip Island, he was a freak. Blindlingly quick and blew the field away.

He has always done well in the wet. Seems to have good car control and very speedy, though he did bin it the other year in a wet race that cause the red flag to come out.

Still i was pumped to see the wet race, Bridgestone normnally do well in the wet, so was hopign Webber would get lucky....but the tyres sucked and he did poorly by binning it in the cut and thrust of the first few laps.

The you have Rosberg...another nothing weekend where he was never quick. Wurz alongise Rosberg has a great opportunity at humbling a supposed future champion

Top race, love it when its a wet track.

I don't know wtf happened but I set my recording 15mins early and 30mins late and I somehow missed the first 30mins and last 5mins of the Ch10 coverage.

I'll keep an eye out for the 'onboard race' footage to see what happened with Schuey!

Top race, love it when its a wet track.

I don't know wtf happened but I set my recording 15mins early and 30mins late and I somehow missed the first 30mins and last 5mins of the Ch10 coverage.

I'll keep an eye out for the 'onboard race' footage to see what happened with Schuey!

according to heidfeld, Schumacher "got into the back of (me) him" after he made the pass

Oops!!!

But Briatore said: ''Webber is not available. It is not up to me to say where he will go. Perhaps somebody else will say something about it soon.''

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''I have not signed anything,'' the 24-year-old said, ''but I am sure that next year I will race quoted Kovalainen

Talk is the the time we wake up in the morning Webber will be confirmed at RBR :whistling:

Australian Mark Webber will partner Briton David Coulthard at Red Bull next season, the Formula One team announced.

After being replaced by one Austrian, test driver Alexander Wurz who will race for Williams in 2007, it was the 29-year-old Australian's turn to oust another.

Webber will take the place of young Austrian Christian Klien at the team owned by energy drink billionaire Dietrich Mateschitz.

"We chose him for a number of straightforward reasons," said team boss Christian Horner.

"One, he obviously has undoubted speed and ability and, two, he appears to have the determination and motivation needed to succeed.

"We're entering an exciting new phase in the short history of Red Bull Racing and Mark was an obvious candidate to us."

Next year's Red Bull car will be the first overseen by Adrian Newey, the top designer behind a string of titles for Williams and McLaren.

The move also reunites Webber with many former colleagues from his days at Jaguar, the team Mateschitz bought from Ford and renamed after his product.

"I believe I am joining the team at exactly the right time for success in the future," said the driver.

"After I left Jaguar Racing at the end of the 2004 season and discovered that Mr Mateschitz was taking over the team, I said that I felt the team had been placed in very good hands and had an assured future.

"I hope that with Red Bull Racing I can have my best F1 season to date and believe that we can be very, very strong together," added Webber.

Red Bull are using Ferrari engines but speculation has suggested they could switch to Renault V8 units next year with sister team Toro Rosso taking over the Ferrari contract.

Webber is managed by Renault team boss Flavio Briatore and had been linked to the champions as a possible successor to Spaniard Fernando Alonso when the champion joins McLaren at the end of the year.

The Australian's move now makes it almost certain that Finnish test driver Heikki Kovalainen will get Renault's second seat alongside Italian Giancarlo Fisichella if they cannot secure the services of McLaren's Kimi Raikkonen.

Raikkonen is expected to join Ferrari.

Coulthard, now 35, was delighted to be given a third season with the team after securing their first podium with third place in Monaco this year.

"I can feel that the team is really beginning to gel as a group," said the Scot.

"I'm looking forward to raising the performance of the team and the car and to see Red Bull Racing become a regular points scorer, in with a good shout for achieving podiums and wins."

Well, my gob is smacked & my flabber aghast. Why the hell would he sign for Red Bull? Surely next years Williams Toyota is a better bet than a Red Bull Ferrari. Hope he didn't sign for more than a year because I don't reckon he would have had a better chance at landing a plum job than in the last few months.

The Mike Gascoyne thing - look at the job he did for Jordan all those years ago - Williams needs someone to sort their reliability out and quickly.

As an aside, sad to see JV given the arse. Unsuprising, but sad all the same.

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I can't beleive they are taking an unknown like kovalenien over webber. webber should have begged flava flav for that drive. anyone who thinks driving at redbull is a step forward in his career is on drugs. he left that team in 2004 due to their excessive shiteness. damn it. he would have been a great driver for renault, he has really come good in F1 and is a mature driver, who we know can be quick. he just needs a quick reliable car (lol not asking much I know!). again, f**k you frank williams. thanks to you webber has just wasted 2 years and is now back where he was at the beginning of 2003.

If Renault didnt happen this year, then its not goign to happen next year.

They are either putting a rookie in the car, so by the end of next year they will know his value. Or Kimi, in which case they will be looking to put HK in the car to replace Fisi. It hasnt happened so highly unlikely to happen next year.

Webber would be silly to only go for a one year option at a team like RBR. He would need to give it at least two seasons....

But Roy, if the thing with RB turns pear shaped, who is going to want Webber two years hence? It is getting a bit late inthe day for him.

As for Renault wanting an unknown next to Fisi - well, have they lost interest in winning races? Can't think of any other reason.

BTW, Baron, what is the unit of measure for shiteness?

yes agree 100% renault must have decided they just want to arse around for a while. I know the real reason.

They are holding out for Kimi. Webber can't wait for Kimi to make up his mind (cause if kimi did go to renault, all the other seats would be gone for webber by then). So Webber has taken the safe bet and secured himself a seat now. Renault should have given up chasing Kimi and just gone for Webber + fisi. cause kimi is liable to screw them over.

BTW what the f**k has flavio done for webber? nothing. did webber fart when they were in the same room once or something?

shiteness is measured in shites. when the gross tonnage exceeds 100 shites then it's time to GTFO.

Flavio did want Webber at the end of 2004, Fisi was the lap dog and was goign to get the seat that Weeber didnt want. Williams had just won the last GO of the year, it was a dream of Webbers to drive for Williams...he made the wrong choce. Not really Flavs fault.

It will be interesting to see who gets signed to Renault. Kimi may still be goign there, and i suspect Webber couldnt wait for the MS/KR mery go round to stop, as he coul have lost out.

But putting Heikki in the 2nd seat cant be too bad an option. He has tested with them, so they know his ability. He was arguably the better driver in GP2, and didnt desderve to lose to Rosberg.

Renault could do worse, when you have a good car under you, strong engineering behind you, and you are a young quick guy...then i wouldnt be too concerned about putting him in the car.

Under pressure he may make a mistake or two and give away a strong position, but if he is quickj,m he will qualify well and be in clear air. With the nature of F1 these days the passing is done in the pits, and with strategy....and he knwos the team, they know him...and he has only been out of a race seat for 12 months...so is it really that big a risk?

And as for Webber+ RBR= pear shaped. Who knows, but unless fortune favours him he will need to make the most of RBR, as this could be his last chance. At 32-33 he will be relying on cirumstance to favour him if he is to move to a WCC team

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