Anyone Not Rebuilt Their Rb26?

[Gts-t]

Sorry if my comment upset you,its just that I've been driving for 25 years and I've never seen anyone lust after a lesser model of a car.

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M&M, i have a R32 gtst and have no desire to own a 32/33gtr. I have alot of respect for the car but would in no way rather one than my gtst. I really prefer the lower weight and rwd over atessa. Yes i know you can go rwd but i really do not want a 15-1600kg car rather a 1250-1350kg one.

It really is each to its own, but it would be very foolish to think everyone with a gtst wishes there car would transform into a gtr. Especially when they may have spent more than the price of a gtr on their gtst.

Last fact, there is many a gtst that will hose a modified gtr...

Edited February 6, 2006 by 26GTS

[PHATR32]

dude, you ever driven any 4wd turbo car before?? especially fast around corners and roundabouts etc???

last fact, there is many excels that will hose any type of car.

which means ANY car can be fast, it just depends on how much you spend on it!!!!!!

steve

[elboro]

This is just my opinion.

I owned an R33 GTS-t and now own an R32 GTR. I think that the GTR is in a completly different class to the GTS-t.

The GTS-t is the car i would rather drive around 8 hours a day, but it can't even be compared to the GTR on the track.

I think the GTS-t is a sports car, and the GTR is alot more of a race car, so you can't really compare the two.

I would be comparing the GTS-t to the S15.

ElBoRo

[predator]

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[Scooby]

can we get back on topic please? this is not a GTSt vs GTR thread.

as previously posted I've had no engine problems. however, maybe we see a lot of maint issues with GTRs because not many mechanics around really know them. i mean REALLY know them. i've been to a couple of the supposed better/more established ones in sydney and while they can build engines and diagnose stuffed afm etc (so can i), if i go to them with some little quirky problem they don't know enough about the car to fix it quickly and just go chasing the usual suspects. then i get the car back with a bill saying it's fine when i know damn well it's not. in many cases a thorough read of the manual the night before makes me better informed than they are, and this seems to be the case particularly where electrics are concerned. and there are quite a few of them of the GTR.

i used to have a starion that was serviced by Kevin Bartlett's shop, in 90% of cases i'd say 'it's doing blah' and he'd say 'that's because...' and it really was. and although it is a less advanced car than the GTR it was pretty trick for its time.

admittedly i've been stuffing with cars for 20 years but i still hope to find a professional out there who knows the GTR like KB knew the starion.

[elboro]

well why dont you open a thread asking people who they take their GTR to. Then everyone can compare mechanics and you can find out who the good ones are, unless its already been done. I personally take my GTR to S-Rally Performance in North Parramatta. My dad also takes his GTS-t there and we have rarely had a problem with their work. The guy that runs the place is Vish Pillay.

ElBoRo

[Scooby]

hi elboro; i guess there are already workshop threads, and as we've seen before discussing workshops can be a sensitive business. my point really was that there are prob a lot of workshops that can do the basic stuff, but when it comes to real in depth knowledge most fall short.

thanks for the lead though.

[discopotato03]

It seems the emotive thing surrounds these cars in this country particularly since they blatently wiped the big eight's out in Grp A , the nuckle dragsters failed to accept what they're eyes told them in 93 hence the crowd boo fest .

If I had real money to spend on cars it would be difficult to resist the temptation to own a GTR though as pointed out you'd need money budgeted to fix an old performance car . No doubt people bought cars like these to use them so its unreasonable to expect them not to have been driven enthusiastically , unfortunately the Japs don't tent to maintain their cars like some of us do and it shows in wear and tear . Sophisticated cars will have an expensive maintenance regime if not serviced properly early in life and GTR's are incredibally labour intensive because so much is crammed into a limited amount of space . I saw an R32 import being transformed into a club race car and the time that went into basically making it an N1 copy was staggering . That car went bang first time on the track , I suspect oil pump failure and trashed its bottom end ie leg out etc .

Having seen this I decided I could not run the risk of buying an expensive car and having the feeling that the engine was a time bomb .

Its a sobering thought that in the club race scenereo the Evo Lancers seem to trump el GTR so the truth of the matter is the icon can be beaten . Some people can't hack the feeling that Godzilla can be bettered by a two litre single turbo four but then the V8 brigade felt the same about the I6 TT GTR .

So for me its to be a 2wd R32GTST which is affordable to buy and reasonably light , an RB30DET will go in to make good grunt and I'll have to live with less traction . I figure with the more sophisticated methods of revenue raising these days it will be more than good enough to drive on a daily basis if necessary .

Like many I got to look round and under a brand new R32GTR but the 114,000 price tag at the time was fantasy land material . Such is life .....

[m&m]

Maybe I used a bad example trying to get my point across.

There are far fewer XY GT's around with original unbuilt engines than XY Fairmonts with stock original 302's or 250's.

I dont think it's the car,but the driver.

It was not my intention to piss off GTS owners.ANY car can be made to run a 10,even a DakDak.

[Sweet T]

m&m an old saying come to mind here

"just because you own a race car doesn't mean your a race car driver"

maybe this is why so many need rebuilding

[NXTIME]

Many need rebuilding becasue they are simply old and worn out. Maintenence and repairs on GTR's is more expensive then other cars, eg GTS-T's. Alot of R32 GTRs were dumped onto the Australian and Canadian import market due to the 15 year rule in the respective countries. It's like Australian car owners dumping their VN's onto, say, NZ's import market. How easy would it be to sell an abused 15 year old car to a buyer that is not even in the country? Do you think that the owners would have spent good money servicing and maintaining them knowing that they were mor than likely going o/s?

Having said that, there are a few clean and well maintained R32 GTR's that have found their way here, but they are only a few.

[m&m]

m&m an old saying come to mind here

"just because you own a race car doesn't mean your a race car driver"

maybe this is why so many need rebuilding

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Good point,but a racer will usually buy the best car for the job.

My GTR has a rebuilt motor(Racepace) from when my brother owned it.It was raced in Japan.There were tow hooks under the car,harness mounting points were found when the rear seat was removed,R compound tyres.The car made good power off the boat,18 months later my brother spun a bearing,no great surprise,it was originaly built for racing.

[RNS11Z]

Just buy a toyota, you got no excuses then. Built tough, built right. But i still go back to nissan... maybe converted to a 2j soon. (to much dream talking)

[No Crust Racing]

Off track but I in relation to the Toyota comment... I previously owned an 88 Celica, custom extractors, full exhaust, POD, CAI blah blah and it got hammered for every single one of its 65,000K's i did in it while I owned it (bought it at 120,000). Only ever replaced the CV joints as part of the scheduled maintenance, other than that... faultless =D

Remember though that hammering is all a matter of perspective... as is the case with GTR's. For me, hammering the sillycar was WOT to around 5200RPM (went red at 6) you could feel the engine begin to strain excessively and was not making anymore power by that stage so there was no point revving it harder. I imagine GTR's are much the same, just because they have a stated redline of (umm crap what is it? like 8K or there abouts?) Doesn't mean you can do that all day every day. I've currently got a SII 33 (looking for a GTR perhaps... anyone selling!)and thought it goes red at 7, I never go harder than around 6200 as it seems to fall of the torque curve there (stock car aside from POD and CAI)

I think sometimes driver feel for the engine capability is an important aspect of owning a performance car. Sometimes I wonder if the younger GTR owners out there lack this feel (ok ok so I'm only 23). They seem to basically just look at the guage or, even worse, only react when some monstrous shift light tells them the engine is screaming. No offense to younger drivers at all, this is only my opinion based on what I've seen of my younger brothers mates.

Let's not forget... they're quite old now and generate a lot of heat in that engine bay.. Age, K's, Heat are all going to take their toll on the car. Yes they are a wonderful car (I want a 32!) But I think we do have to accept that as with any model of car, there will be good and bad ones and that even the good ones are still OLD.

Just my 2 cents ^_^

Edited February 8, 2006 by ActionDan

[lwells]

Well, my GT-R is going (I hestitate to add "strong" ). The only real problem is a blown exhaust manifold gasket which I have been too lazy to fix. That's planned for the next month or so. I had an issue with the clutch: when it was replaced the original was almost brand new but absolutely drenched in oil, but no obvious sign of a leak. Bit of a weird one, but things seem to be OK now.

In the year+ I have owned it, its done maybe 2000-3000KM. I've dropped a lot of coin (well, by my poor-arts-student standards) on it. I fully expected that. Soon as I got it I changed pretty much every fluid I could think of (wee for about $500 in oil alone). I drive it very sedately though: it doesn't see the track, it rarely sees redline as I just don't feel the need the trash its tits off on the street. I'm slowly gathering all the mods I want to do for now: better flowing exhaust, cam wheels, powerfc, dump/front pipes and new turbos. I don't plan to turn the wick up (well, much... famous last words ), just free up the exhaust side and replace those ceramic turbos which give me nightmares (failure point no. 1).

Ideally I would also replace the camshafts and, more importantly, fix the oiling issue (oil pump/collar and sump baffling; failure point no. 2), but the budget doesn't allow for the time being. I should get around to a leak down test, but haven't felt it necessary yet.

Anyway, to cut a long story short, a few problems here and there, but nothing you wouldn't anticipate for a 15 yr old performance car. *shrug*

[nugget400hp]

Mines just had a rebuild, still running her in, engine died at 70,000k

[sigsputnik]

can i ask how much it cost? <cringes>

[No Crust Racing]

Mines just had a rebuild, still running her in, engine died at 70,000k

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That really means very little wihout knowing the condition of the car, it's service history, or why it died....

Not trying to incite violence or anything, just pointing out that perhaps more detail would be handy for the initial thread started.

Cheers

[nugget400hp]

not exactly sure on the cost, was done at incar performance in sydney.. i think it was around $6400 but not posetive, i havnt got the reciept with me, its in the car at a workshop.

[nugget400hp]

That really means very little wihout knowing the condition of the car, it's service history, or why it died....

Not trying to incite violence or anything, just pointing out that perhaps more detail would be handy for the initial thread started.

Cheers

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Yeah, i have no idea of the history of the car but i guess its had a hard life, has a brand new execdy hi-performance clutch, rebuild etc so i guess so.

Cause for the rebuild was a cracked ringland