Bee R R324 Front Suspension Setup

[1400r]

looks like double wishbone has been swapped for s13 style setup and moved back

your thoughts?

d1.bmp

Edited February 15, 2006 by 1400r

[fatz]

considering the s13 bolts staright on and is easier to adjust

seems logical to me

[1400r]

s13 bolts straight on are u on drugs?

[tom_g]

I think your attachment is stuffed. Im only get about 1/4 of the picture.

If you wanted a car that handles like an s13 wouldnt it be easiest and cheapest to buy an s13?

[funkymonkey]

or if you need RB20 powah, get an A31... suspension of a silvia and power of a skyline.

[urbanoperations]

yes that is a really weird setup...

hmm never ever seen that done before

but the S13 setup does not bolt onto the R32 Front Setup whatsoever, unless you do what these guys have done...

[Josh]

wtf... pic not working..

[1400r]

pic fixed I think

[nF]

i've heard the r32 front suspension is pretty average for double wishbone

but surely the s13 gear is worse

[Sydneykid]

i've heard the r32 front suspension is pretty average for double wishbone

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yep, it's so bad that the R32GTR ruled the Group A circuit racing worldwide so much so that they changed the rules.

cheers

[Roy]

Other then Australian and Japan, what other Grp A series did it win? We like to believe that we built the quickest Sierras and M3s, but the GTR was never raced in Europe...doesnt change the fact they were still the class of the category....

[funkymonkey]

the GTR did take part in some Le Mans races.

[Roy]

Not as a 4wd Group A car it didnt...did it?

Perhaps the wishbones arent the greatest ever deisgn i dont know...but any road car is goign to have compromised arm lengths, pick up points etc etc...surely they are still better then McPherson struts (Mind you , plenty of capabel cars are using struts)

[Beer Baron]

i would say they had a very specific reason for doing it realted to the cars purpose. saying that it's better than 32 GTR gear is a bit hard to do without specifying "better at what.....?"

and yes, fatz is on drugs. why bring up his personal life here?

[Maxx]

yr file is too big

learn to convert BMP to JPG

[1400r]

lick my bum lol

I had enough trouble getting it up in the first place.

seems in drift skylines run into understeering problems fairly frequently

enough to ruin tandem runs and have the judges give the other guy the win

I'd say this "s13" setup is trying to fix the problem aswell as other things Im not smart enough to work out.

s13 understeering Ive seen in drift vids is like 1 for every 5 skylines(and not that many skylines drift in the vids Ive seen)

hopefully this mod will help Tezuka(?) win a few rounds in D1

looks like he's already doing ok in the street class

[Gts-t]

lick my bum lol

I had enough trouble getting it up in the first place.

seems in drift skylines run into understeering problems fairly frequently

enough to ruin tandem runs and have the judges give the other guy the win

I'd say this "s13" setup is trying to fix the problem aswell as other things Im not smart enough to work out.

s13 understeering Ive seen in drift vids is like 1 for every 5 skylines(and not that many skylines drift in the vids Ive seen)

hopefully this mod will help Tezuka(?) win a few rounds in D1

looks like he's already doing ok in the street class

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Skylines understeer due to the great lump of cast iron Rb up the front. Just like your cefiro

The blitz 4 door r34 seems to be doing pretty well with its double wishbone

Refer above to what Sk said if there is any confusion

[1400r]

"Skylines understeer due to the great lump of cast iron Rb up the front. Just like your cefiro

The blitz 4 door r34 seems to be doing pretty well with its double wishbone

Refer above to what Sk said if there is any confusion "

hmmm dont have a ceffy as sig says I have 32 4 door cef is the bosses car

blitz 34 seems to have shallow slide entry angle's to offset understeering.... trust me Ive watched a lot of option vids

Im not confused justs looks like double wish is not really suit to slides I think sk was refer to it just being a good setup not that it is great for slides

see number of skylines not in D1 or BM or any other drift series

[Sydneykid]

blitz 34 seems to have shallow slide entry angle's to offset understeering.... trust me Ive watched a lot of option vids

Im not confused justs looks like double wish is not really suit to slides I think sk was refer to it just being a good setup not that it is great for slides

see number of skylines not in D1 or BM or any other drift series

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

There is a lot of experience in Japanese drift circles with macpherson strut front suspension cars, courtesy of the huge number of AE86's and S13/14/15's over the years. Understandably the drift teams feel more comfortable tuning a strut front suspension.

The reality is I can duplicate the dynamic camber change angles of an S13/14/15 whilst still retaining the R232/33/34 double wishbone suspension. I can also duplicate the roll centres and bump steer characteristics. Consequently the handling ("slide" if you prefer) would be the same, given equal other dynamics, mostly C of G and weight. But this is not simple to do, it takes some time to engineer and fabricate the necessary components.

My guess is they took the easy way out, used mostly off the shelf S13/14/15 parts, maybe just to test the theory. If it works, they may well revert back to double wishbone with duplicate dynamic change angles engineered in.

cheers