Suggestion For '06 Club Competition

[tedshred]

A couple of us have been -very briefly- bouncing this idea around;

Please bear in mind that this outline is very basic and probably full of holes. But it designed to to try to make the club competition, less about the $$ spent on mods and more about the ability of a driver to get the very best performance out of the car (whatever the mods) and then drive it well.

It's far from complete and far from perfect, but it goes something like this;

A matrix is decided listing most performance enhancing mods.

A score is assigned to each mod (eg semi-comp tyres) and some combos (eg uprated internals AND turbos).

Perhaps a power-to-weight ratio "multiplier" could be applied also.

The total score is applied to the vehicle in question.

At the end of each round your score is assessed based on you list of mods for each round -this would allow for changes -and therfore score adjustments- throughout the season.

Each finishing position (normally based on the fastest lap time) in the the final results for each round is assigned a value , (perhaps starting from the slowest vehicle's time and working back).

Your vehicle score is applied to this final score to modify your effective finishing position for each round.

For those who want recognition for the outright fastest car, perhaps a separate comp can be created for that, eg fastest 3 on the day and most number of fastest laps at season's end.

The aim is to provide the best opportunity for drivers to improve their times by adding well chosen and careful mods if they wish, but also to improve their finishing positions by learning to drive their vehicles better with any given state of tune.

This may also have the effect of encouraging more members to have a go with their more-or-less stock vehicles.

Perhaps there are some who don't participate (but would like to), believing that there is no point in going anywhere near the track unless you spend $ on big mods.

Under a system like this they would be rewarded for perhaps being better drivers than some of those who do.

Constructive feedback is encouraged.

[KamikazeR33]

Perhaps there are some who don't participate (but would like to), believing that there is no point in going anywhere near the track unless you spend $ on big mods.

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im sure duncan from nsw can argue this point

i believe there should be a handicap system based on wat mods will give u time gains on the track. but that would b too complicated to divise unless someone wants to sit down n work it all out. this would mean that a stock gtst or even n/a gts could compete against the likes of snowy for a club championship and would bring the driving aspect into play alot more

as i sed it is prob too hard to guage wat a mod would b worth on a track or as a % of a lap time

[R31Nismoid]

I think at the end of the day.

The SAU-Vic championship has simply not enough people competing in it currently to warrant a highly deep scoring system

Those who can drive get rewarded. Panozza was on snowy when he had stock turbos and snowy had uprated 2530's.

Thats a clear example of the better steerer of a car (no sinisterness there in that comment)

From my point of view *just my thoughhts*

i think some things should be take out of stock and moved to modified.

But i also know that we just dont have the numbers to warrant it, so that makes it redundant really

[Snowman]

Thanks for pointing out how crap I am.

[R31Nismoid]

[Ant97GTR]

...this would mean that a stock gtst or even n/a gts could compete against the likes of snowy for a club championship ...

You mean like last year when I competed against snowy for outright club champion? The current system does allow for a stocky gtst to compete against the faster gtrs, as long as you turn up to as many rounds as you can and take out enough class wins you are rewarded.

[Downforce]

Can someone please post or provide a link to last years SAU Vic club championship rules including point scoring?

I believe these are being used for this years championship as well.

[Snowman]

They are in the members section somewhere.

Basically 4 classes.

4WD Mod

4WD Standard

2WD Mod

2WD Standard

Mod = upgrades to 2 or more of fuel pump, injectors and turbo

OR R Spec Tyres.

[abcent]

I agree with whats being said....i for one will hopefully be competeing soon, and due to the power I'm making i'll be in the modified class. But I cant afford R compound tyres that are allowed in this class....which already puts me 1-2secs a lap behind, I also cant afford big brake conversions so i'll be braking earlier, slowing my lap times down again....yadda yadda yadda boo hoo

But really I just wanna have fun in my car, so I'm not overly concerned , but obviously I see your point.

On the other side of the fence, that sounds like a very technical points system that would take a lot of time and effort to put together and constantly monitor, which for a club level champoinship is a big ask for someone to look after I think.

nice an simple is the way to keep it I think, an just have fun on the track

my 2 cents B)

[Roy]

Perhaps there are some who don't participate (but would like to), believing that there is no point in going anywhere near the track unless you spend $ on big mods.

Under a system like this they would be rewarded for perhaps being better drivers than some of those who do.

Ok, my 2 cents is that at the moment the points system is pretty close to being spot on. No doubt any systemcan be improved…but at the end of the day of the pros cant get a points system that everyone agrees on (V8 Supercards etc) then we are going to struggle.

Last season it took a count back to confirm that Snowie won the series. Ant is his R33 with basically std suspension, road rubber etc etc almost knocked Andrew from the top possie. It was a great effort. Towards the end of the season Ant had a some Whiteline suspension, but I would have to say Ants car is more std then most forum goers, yet he won the std RWD class, and almost won the club series.

So saying you cant compete with the likes of Andrew etc isn’t really a fair comment. The compromise will always be, what do you want to do with your car? Do you want to mod it and he happy, or do you want to race it in the club series which means you are limited by the mods you do? I still think the biggest decider is tyres. And its right to split the guys with $1500 tyres from those on road rubber.

If you are running road rubber, it takes a lot more power then the other guy to be noticeable. I have no trouble seeing how a 200rwkws R33 can easily compete with a 250rwkws GTST if they are both on std rubber. With rubber as the limiting factor, power means a lot less.

I want to mod my car the way that suits me on the day. So I cant really complain if I want to race in the series as well as mod my car however I want, instead of being in line with the class rules. At the end of the day im racing myself, so only want to improve on my best lap times. The fact that I was handed the mod RWD class last year as noone else really ran in it…

It is so much fun out there. You come back in grinning from ear to ear, I dont get near enough regular sex, so this is to me is as good as it gets. If you don’t get out there because you cant keep up with guys in $120,00cars, well you are only robbing yourself of some awesome fun.

To sit back and not bother getting out there and enjoy yourself and have fun, but rather say im not going to bother as the rules are stacked so that I cannot win…well that’s not being fair. Looking at the ppl competing at the moment, the rules aren’t far off being right. Come join us and have some fun. If your driving efforts etc justify a tweak of the rules, then I doubt anyone will have a problem with revisiting the regulations.

…also I know its not what you were saying, but to assume the guys with modded cars aren’t the best drivers in the club and are only quick because their cars have coin spent on them? Well the guys with money spent on their cars have been doing track work for longer then most. And it’s a lot harder to drive a quick car quick then it is to drive a slow car quick. So its possible they are better drivers then ppl give them credit for.

I think….As it stands the only thing we can do to improve the points system is to award bonus points at each round for someone that has been very consistent with their laps. Exclude their fastest two laps, and their slowest two laps and whoever has the smallest deviation in lap times should get a bonus point or two, I think 3.

I will say this…at the end of the day you have 3 types of drivers.

You have the new ppl that take a minute or two to come to grips with how cars behave at the track. Even the guys that do pretty well the first few times, soon learn that they still have several seconds to improve even without spending money on mods. That’s most of us the first few times we go to any track.

Secondly, you have the experienced guys who basically drive the car to with in 1-1.5 seconds of what the car is ultimately capable of. They are good drivers.

Thirdly, you have the guys that are freaks and can really steer a car. Give the car to a paid professional and odds are there would only be a tenth or two in it. They are top steerers.

That’s how I see it anyway. And when you are only talking a few tenths up to a second between the best and the rest, well its always going to be hard. Get out there and have some fun…lest see how the points system works this year and if need be we can revisit it.

Dribble, dribble dribble… its on between me, Matt and Dayne this year. Im looking forward to it

[Budge]

The plan to beat Snowy:

1. Throw a couple of sausage rolls out the window on lap 1.

2. Tomato sauce out on lap 2.

3. Frozen Margharita on Lap 3.

B)

[Snowman]

Mate you better throw them all out on lap 1 because I'm usually well and truely finished by the time your rust bucket gets onto its 2nd lap.

[saff_cossie]

Perhaps there are some who don't participate (but would like to), believing that there is no point in going anywhere near the track unless you spend $ on big mods.

Not quite my thinking although I would really like to get out on track (did DECA and had a great time) but I would like a person or people with my kind of car that I can compete with. Its an auto lib RX so far from ideal but would like to get out for a play but dont want to get in the way of the rex's.

[Budge]

Mate you better throw them all out on lap 1 because I'm usually well and truely finished by the time your rust bucket gets onto its 2nd lap.

I'll pay that... even though I'm not the one trying to beat you

If they ever put you and me on the same track I'd just drive into the side of you as you passed... but that's just me B)

[Roy]

I'll pay that... even though I'm not the one trying to beat you

If they ever put you and me on the same track I'd just drive into the side of you as you passed... but that's just me B)

All those fancy alloy/carbon panels would be crumbled by the might of Holden V8 iron :lol:

At the end of the day it is kinda cool haveing a few other cars you can play wit. I went last year without a single car near me...i still had fun.

This year wont be near as much fun if all the pretty boys in their pretty cars with their pretty wheels, with their fancy RB25s with their fancy toothbrushes blow me away... but thats ok, i have a gun licence

[Downforce]

All those fancy alloy/carbon panels would be crumbled by the might of Holden V8 iron :lol:

At the end of the day it is kinda cool haveing a few other cars you can play wit. I went last year without a single car near me...i still had fun.

This year wont be near as much fun if all the pretty boys in their pretty cars with their pretty wheels, with their fancy RB25s with their fancy toothbrushes blow me away... but thats ok, i have a gun licence

:lol: hahahaha.. SO DO I