No More Top Gun

[KamikazeR33]

nah nothin will beat the sexiness of the f14, nothing

F14B

Power: 2 General Electric F110-GE 400 Turbofans with 23,100lbs thrust each

Weight: 74,349lbs

Max Speed: Mach 2.34

Ceiling: 50,000 feet

Range: 2000 miles

F/A-22

Power: 2 Pratt and Whitney F119-PW 100 Turbofans with 35,000lbs thrust each

Weight: 80,000lbs

Max Speed: Mach 2

Ceiling: 50,000 feet

Range: 2071 miles

[RyanN]

lol i gotta watch top gun again too, cant remember anything in it

remember this?

Click the 'watch' button.

[MspecR33]

Although lookin at the Bris's Mega Post the F-16 is HOT reminds me of Iorn Eagle... James u better know that one!!

F-16s are too small and too slow.

it only has one engine and US Navy policy is to have jet with two.

Think F/A-18 SuperHornets and F-22 Raptors

[Roy]

Yeh they are all nice. But serisouly, a plane whislt looking nice and doign everything it needs to, it has to scare the other guy. In its day, the Tomcat was abel to launch a missile at you before many other fighters could spot you on their radar, its radar and firepower was well ahead of its time.

The F16, F18, yeh they are good, but they dotn make you go HOLY T1TTY F4RK!!!!

Planes liek the Mig 25 etc in its day, no one knew what it was capable of, and generally the west were running around trying to build a better plane, just in case it was everything rumours said.

Ill take the Russia planes they are cool, and for $1.50 on my next holiday i could probably fly one

[MspecR33]

the F/A-18 should make you go holy f**k

it could take down the F-14. better manouverability and better avionics

F-22 could then take down a F-18. the reason they use these newer planes is because they are better, use more advanced technology, the F-22 even has some stealth capabilities

and they did know what the MiGs where capable of because the had spies.

there are public books out there that were released that had all this information in them i have some at home so the military would've known more

[Roy]

Yeh, ok, but im not sure how old you are

Im just about 30 and when i was younger and really into planes the Cold War was still going strong, and the MIG-25, Flanker etc were still pretty secretive, with the exception of a pic here and a pic there. The specs were thrown around, but its not as though a West German F-15 had ever tried to intercept a Mig25 etc. Tomcats had shot down Libyan Mig 23s/Su-22s. F-15s have gone up against plnety in thehands of Israel etc.

Though the Russians seemed to keep the Mig-25/29s, Flankers to themselves, only appearign at the Farnborough Airshow once the Colsd War was over

As for F-18 taking down F-14s, ok they are more maneuverable, but are you sure about the avionics? Part of my understanding was that the F14 had the service life it did, much like the F4 is because it was so adaptable and able to upgraded with better avionics.

The point of the F-14 was not to be the most maneuverable, btu to be able to use its radar in conjunction with the Hawkeye to knock planes out of the sky before they got close enough to threaten the carrier or the Tomcat. Id rather a Phoenix on my fuselage then a sparrow on teh wing tip

[funkymonkey]

these days dogfighting planes are redundant anyways, as you can do pretty much everything an aircraft can do with a intelligent guided missile.

[Mavric]

Im with you Troy regardless of how much technology you put into any aircraft these days the F14 made you (in your words mate) HOLY T1TTY F4RK!!!! And you knew it was there...

No hiding out with stealth technology it took you down and there was almost nothing you could do about it.....

[foznice]

hahaha, robotech kicks ass! I wanted to be a pilot, but I wear contacts... so I did robotics at uni instead, I'll build a veritech yet

this should be the next next gen

btw, I have all 3 seasons on dvd if anyone wants a copy at some stage

I might have to take you up on that offer :D will you be at the GOR cruise this w/e? I can bring you some blankies???

[Roy]

LOL...and one more thing i remembered about the F18, the RAAF in training with the Kiwis are gettign shot down by the NZ A4s...the irony is that the Aus Navy sold the Kiwis the A4s as they didnt need/rate them as they were too old. $20mil for the planes and spares to keep them in the air for 18years...Skyhawks are agile little buggers

[DivHunter]

LOL...and one more thing i remembered about the F18, the RAAF in training with the Kiwis are gettign shot down by the NZ A4s...the irony is that the Aus Navy sold the Kiwis the A4s as they didnt need/rate them as they were too old. $20mil for the planes and spares to keep them in the air for 18years...Skyhawks are agile little buggers

That's not the equipment sadly that's the pilots

Fighters are just missile delivery systems now. When was the last time US fighers engaged enemy aircraft that could fight back?

[MspecR33]

they are retiring the F-14s because they cannot shoot down today's planes. with stealth, the F-14 is unable to "see" the F-22 and the F-22 can find the F-14 easier anyway because it has a more advanced radar, even the F/A-18 has a more advanced radar system. it undergoes uprades every few years. this is why three quarters the US Navy's fighter aircraft are Hornets and one quarter 'were' Tomcats to be replaced by Raptors.

After these they seem to want to go to unmanned aircraft flown roboicly from the ground and/or via a preplanned mission on computer

[The Baron]

Yeh, ok, but im not sure how old you are

Im just about 30 and when i was younger and really into planes the Cold War was still going strong, and the MIG-25, Flanker etc were still pretty secretive, with the exception of a pic here and a pic there. The specs were thrown around, but its not as though a West German F-15 had ever tried to intercept a Mig25 etc. Tomcats had shot down Libyan Mig 23s/Su-22s. F-15s have gone up against plnety in thehands of Israel etc.

Though the Russians seemed to keep the Mig-25/29s, Flankers to themselves, only appearign at the Farnborough Airshow once the Colsd War was over

As for F-18 taking down F-14s, ok they are more maneuverable, but are you sure about the avionics? Part of my understanding was that the F14 had the service life it did, much like the F4 is because it was so adaptable and able to upgraded with better avionics.

The point of the F-14 was not to be the most maneuverable, btu to be able to use its radar in conjunction with the Hawkeye to knock planes out of the sky before they got close enough to threaten the carrier or the Tomcat. Id rather a Phoenix on my fuselage then a sparrow on teh wing tip

I remember a Mig 25 defected to Japan. They had to return it to Russia but not after a rigorous 'Customs Inspection' undertaken by the remarkably American looking Japanese Customs Service

I agree Mav the F-16 was always a very close 2nd to the Tomcat in my view.

I guess it now takes 1st spot

You must all be too young to remember the old F4 - Phantom. Nothing like seeing a pair of those coming up the River Valley to take out the local bridge across the Weser - trailing an enormous amount of smoke and sounding like a Banshee.

That was growing up in Germany in the late 70's - early 80's. Heck I even remember the the F104 - Starfighter

[MspecR33]

na the F/A-18 i always thought looked awesome and also the F-111

used to see F/A-18s fly over out to the national park for target practice where i llived near Newcastle from zero yoa till i was eight.

[MspecR33]

F/A-18's

F-111

Edited March 2, 2006 by MspecR33

[32brother]

should bring back a retro version of the mustang.

[Roy]

F/A-18 is ghey We should never have gotten rid of the F4s or Mirages, they were real mens planes.

The Hornet is like that girl, she is pretty good at everything, even pretty good looking and is really nice to you. But then there is that girl, and for all her vices she has that one thing that floats your boat...the F4 was the unusal styling, big Fark Off engines and the fact that it was the lazy mans plane. Dog fight? Fark that i dont even have a gun, ill splash him with my missile

[MspecR33]

^^what?^^

should bring back a retro version of the mustang.

why?

Edited March 2, 2006 by MspecR33

[Roy]

I do agree the F111 is hell cool though. A friend was a navigator in the first squadron of F-111s and did the whole training in the US then fly back to Aus...he liked the F4 but he said it was for all the wrong reasons.

The F111 though, he said the night training ops using the radar at a few hundre feet of the deck going hundreds of miles per hour was "one of lifes experiences" ...bastard

[32brother]

^^what?^^

why?

Just thought I'd throw a spanner in the works...