Water Methanol Injection Kits - Get Up To 100hp.

[The Mafia]

Hi Guys. I'm interested in starting a group buy because I want to see if I can get these water Methanol Kits any cheaper from our Australian Distributer. I guess the more the merrier.

Heres the good bits. (Taken from Snow Performance in the states)

ZeroDefects:

Sorry for the late post, I had lost track of this thread.

When tuning your engine for an A/F of 12.5 and using the the Boost

Cooler compared to a "Tuner Safe" an A/F of 11.5, you are replacing

10% of the fuel with the W/M. In boosted engines the amount of W/M

injected as a percentage of fuel is higher.

As a rule of thumb, the W/M will increase the octane rating of the

fuel by 25% irrespective of the grade of fuel.

So 87 pump gas you would be at 108

90 pump would be 112

93 pump would be 116

There would be little to no increase in octane from the W/M if race

gas like C16 was used due to the already high octane number of 116.

Best regards,

Dan

I would also like to add that a friend of mine has a 375rwkw kw Toyota Supra Running this exact same kit, and its awesome. We have shit fuel in mackay - 95ron is the best we can do, and all he could get was around 310rwkw on his setup (fmic, GT40 turbo, exhaust, 22psi boost, injectors and haltek).

Once the kit was fitted, it eliminated all signs of detonation, and he wound the boost to 28psi, and heaps more timing, and then 375 rwkw. All on the standard supra bottom end (they are forged from the factory)

He measured 100hp (60rwkw) gains, and I am assuming that if you run the right setup and tune you car properly, you would manage a good power gain. I don't think you'd see as high as him though unless you are running high boost.

There are other benifits

**cleaning your entire intake manifold, pistons, etc etc

**lower intake temps which is always a good thing.

** Ron Rating through the roof - Like running constant Av gas

** Costs about $6 a tank extra (cheaper, and about 10 times better than a bottle of octane booster) Distilled water is about $1 a litre at Supercheap, and Methanol is about $1 a litre. 3 litres does about 1 tank of fuel.

** Has optional safe guards if you run out of water meth)

Now I am not a pro, so I suggest you do some research on this, but its definately a good option.

More points -

** Water meth is only injected on boost

** There is a variable controller - which means you dial in a start boost, and a finish boost. This means you don't have one constant pressure (causing the car to surge when it comes in) it means you start off with light water and the pressure increases as the boost and load increases. Perfect.

** There is a saftey system (optional extra worth the $$) When the water run out, or the pressure drops from a blockage, the saftey systems opens up a solenoid that reduces your boost to whatever your wastegate i sset to (mine is 7psi, I run 16 psi max)

I have no idea on price but will update you guys when I get it in the next few days.

Hope people are interested!

here are the sites to look at if you are interested

http://snowperformance.net/products.asp?id=1 (there is also a forum)

http://www.full-throttle.com.au/Engine/Boost Cooler.htm (where I will be getting them from)

These are the options I will be getting -

*Boost Cooler Stage 2 Kit With the Variable Controller (comes with a 220psi pump)

*Solinoid Upgrade - Stops gravity Feeding

*6 Litre Reservior

8Fluid Level Switch Upgrade - Indicates fluid level.

*Safe Injection™- boost/timing reduction system for use with the Boost Cooler® water/methanol injection system promises to revolutionize the industry by providing for safety even with the most aggressive tunes.

*Wastegate Solenoid Upgrade - Solenoid such that boost is reduced in a wastegated turbo set-up.

Watch this thread for pricing (will be around the $1300 mark) and open times and close times)

Thanks guys

I've done a group buy before and I'm fairly well known here. I will not rip you off...

anyway. Let me know your interest!

Edited March 19, 2006 by The Mafia

[satanic]

Does this mean that W/M will be part of your fill up every time you're at the servo? Or can you deactivate this system?

[The Mafia]

yes it does, but you don't have to fill the water meth tank up exactly at the servo..

Just fill it up every weekend or something like that. As long as the tank has fluid in it the system will work fine. If it runs dry, stay off boost.

Also, bare in mind that its only misting water in during boost, so if you stay off boost, you aren't using it..

Also, these systems don';t do anything if you don't tune your car to them. If you have your car tuned with a shitload more timing and different afr's and you de-activate the system, you're motor will go "snap crackle pop" and then go bang.

its more of a permanent fuel improvement solution.

I'm going to whack one in, tune it to 91ron fuel (which would bring the quality of fuel to about 110 fuel) which would be like running avgas all day every day for $1.00 a litre (or whatever 91ron is these days) plus $6 a tank for the water and meth.

Apparently normal tap water can even be run through it without a problem. I might ever try it. If you use clean tap water (or even rain water) you'd save $3 a tank, meaning it would onl cost you $3 a tank extra to run avgas quality fuel in your intake.

I know its a high setup cost, but once its in....power...stability...engine longevity..etc etc..

Edited March 1, 2006 by The Mafia

[satanic]

This sounds interesting indeed... I run 98 RON fuel, this would jack it up to 110RON +

Question is; has this system been tested thoroughly by your mate? Interested to know what the full setup looks like, what components are included, and ultimately the cost involved.

[Kaido_RR]

pretty intersted mafia,

just a question, do you put the water and meth straight into ur fuel tank?

would like to see some photos of the setup, install in a car, and also like to know is it something i would be able to pull off or would i need to take it to a workshop to install

[seriesII]

im interested in this to, might just watch some of th answers to the question and see whats going on

[The Mafia]

This sounds interesting indeed... I run 98 RON fuel, this would jack it up to 110RON +

Question is; has this system been tested thoroughly by your mate? Interested to know what the full setup looks like, what components are included, and ultimately the cost involved.

My mate says its one of the best kits he's seen, and he commented quite a bit on the jet saying its very good at misting the water (the finer the mist the better) and its much better than some of the other jets he's used.

My mate has been running for over 6 months now, has been able to run 7psi extra boost, and about 7 degrees more timing on full boost (thats a lot of timing) and the car went from 310rwkw to 375rwkw. He did a compression test and the result were the same after 6 months.

Definately been tested thoroughly.

' date='2 Mar 2006, 03:31 PM' post='1990752']

pretty intersted mafia,

just a question, do you put the water and meth straight into ur fuel tank?

would like to see some photos of the setup, install in a car, and also like to know is it something i would be able to pull off or would i need to take it to a workshop to install

No, the water meth kit has its own reservior. You mix the water and methanol together (50\50) and stick it in the reservior. Then the varible controller has one of your boost lines attached to it - It starts injecting water in at the boost you set it to start at, and then increases the pressure in a scalar fashion to your maximum boost setting (to prevent choking). There is a 220psi pump involved, and a few little things inline to the jet.

The Solinoid stops the water meth syphoning when the manifold is on vacuum, and the reverse check valve stops the boost blowing the water back up to the pump.

You fit the jet 500mm from the throttle body (to give it a good distance to mix and mist) and then done.

I'm pretty sure you could fit most if not all of the kit yourself. It comes with full instructions and everything you need to fit it.

This only thing you'll need to pay for after the kit install is the tuning. (I'm going to tune it myself, I seem to know what I'm doing...lol I hope)

[satanic]

MAJOR QUESTION: This is not legal is it

[The Mafia]

MAJOR QUESTION: This is not legal is it

water meth kits are 100% legal.

[shanef]

I could be interested in one too.

These kits are universal? Or model specific ones need to be made up?

When u say the jet should be positioned 500mm form the throttle body, i assume thats on the pipe connecting to the throttle body? (somehow i think that was a dumb question, but had to ask it anyway )

[The Mafia]

Universal. All your doing is adding a water jet to your intake.

And yep, on the pipe you're talking about.

[justin911]

i purchased a kit from cooling-performance a month or 2 ago.. It was about $400.. i found most were about $350-400.

I havnt put it on my car yet as my cars getting some other work done first, but i'll slap it on in the next few weeks and post up the results.

[mid life crisis]

yrs ago i was running a turbo holden 6 at speedway we made our own meth injection system all we used was a washer bottle and motor with a small one way check valve connected up to a hobbs adjusable preasure switch and just plumbed it in b4 the throttle body .we did nor tun any more boost we used it to controll knock and it fixed that prob no worries some of you smarter guys could make ya own systems really cheap prob under 80 bucks if ya sit down and think about what ya actually get for ya money in a 400 buck kit

cheers midlife crisis

[justin911]

yeah thats true, i kinda regret spending $400 now. With me though id prefer to buy a tested solution then to sorta stuff around with it myself. Just cause theres potential to screw something up bigtime.

[Sydneykid]

yrs ago i was running a turbo holden 6 at speedway we made our own meth injection system all we used was a washer bottle and motor with a small one way check valve connected up to a hobbs adjusable preasure switch and just plumbed it in b4 the throttle body .we did nor tun any more boost we used it to controll knock and it fixed that prob no worries some of you smarter guys could make ya own systems really cheap prob under 80 bucks if ya sit down and think about what ya actually get for ya money in a 400 buck kit

cheers midlife crisis

The actual mechanical components are very cheap and easy to buy/make. The problem with water injection as always is the engine safety aspect. What happens if I run out of water? What stops the engine filling up with water, hydraulic lock is not a pretty thing? What stops me injecting too much water and it getting into the oil? What happens if the pump fails because it is not designed for methanol? etc etc

That’s where the value of a complete kit comes in. They have the one way valves and solenoids to stop hydraulic lock. They have warning for low water levels. The have the sophistication and programming in the control circuit so you can adjust the water flow using the AFM signal or the MAP sensor signal. The pumps have sufficient power to mist the spray against the boost pressure (150/220 psi is heaps of pressure) and internals designed so as not to corrode when in contact with methanol.

cheers

[The Mafia]

thanks for that SK.

Saved me a bit of time.

[mid life crisis]

The actual mechanical components are very cheap and easy to buy/make. The problem with water injection as always is the engine safety aspect. What happens if I run out of water? What stops the engine filling up with water, hydraulic lock is not a pretty thing? What stops me injecting too much water and it getting into the oil? What happens if the pump fails because it is not designed for methanol? etc etc

That’s where the value of a complete kit comes in. They have the one way valves and solenoids to stop hydraulic lock. They have warning for low water levels. The have the sophistication and programming in the control circuit so you can adjust the water flow using the AFM signal or the MAP sensor signal. The pumps have sufficient power to mist the spray against the boost pressure (150/220 psi is heaps of pressure) and internals designed so as not to corrode when in contact with methanol.

cheers

well back then you could not buy one of the shelf the one way check valve stopped any hyd lock probs we had a light connected to a float to warn of low meth water we only used to fill it once during the night at the start of the meeting dummm speedway holden 6 to to many electronics to worry about all im saying is this is not a new idea i was doing 20 yrs ago now there are complete kits well thats great news for non thinkersbut the same princapals apply today as then and if i was going to use one i would still have a go first never had a washer pump fail and the nozzles we used to tap into the plenum was actuall ma gee or endleee machanical meth nozzles this wasent some half baked things we used we actually sat down done the sums and gave it a go .and i can say the 4 or 5 seasons we used the system it worked great for us

cheers midlife crisis

[midnight]

the most expensive part of the kit is the pump. a good 100psi shurflo pump will set you back a few hundred dollars easy.

all the other stuff is realatively easy and cheap to obtain.

one thing that people have to remember is not to just buy any old kit, you need to calculate you water to fuel ratios and run the correct nozzle to ensure you are running a safe system.

but yeah decent systems are priced around the $400-$500 mark.

[gtst25]

HI MAFIA,

PAYING OVER A GRAND FOR A WATER/METHANOL KIT SEEMS A BIT EXTRAVAGENT!

DID A BIT OF RESEARCH ON THE NET TODAY AND CAME UP WITH THESE ONES AFTER ABOUT 5 MINUTES...

http://www.rx7store.net/catagory_s/89.htm

There's a few cool kits there - hell we're talking about a high pressure pump, nozzles, lines etc etc - should be able to come up with something a bit more affordable. These guys sell a kit with a computer controllable water mist controller too.

Cheers

Here's the cooing mist controller:

http://www.rx7store.net/product_p/coolingm...0controller.htm

Edited March 12, 2006 by gtst25

[The Mafia]

bit of research hey?

Did you stop to check and see if those prices were AU or US..

They look to be US to me....

So double them all and they seem to be higher than what I am trying to organise. Those kits are also the same as what I plan to get.

The system I am looking at - Comes with all the bells and whistles...