Computer Jargon

[Cubes]

First up...

Slap the stock hsf back on it with only a light smear of goop. Use your finger to slightly smear it across the top of the cpu so that you only 'just' can't see the heat spreader.

Boot the system, jump in to the bios and check the cpu temperature and voltages. Ensure they are all within spec.

Do you have a multimeter?

With the power on shove the neg in to the black 24/20pin m/board plug.

Then carefully check: (hold for 5secs or so)

Yellow - 12v

Red - 5v

Orange - 3.3v

If they come up fine give the fan header a quick check.

Failing that.. Swap cpu's out, if all's dandy then the cpu is buggered.

I tend to doubt the cpu is buggered UNLESS you have left the cpu on when its had overheating issues. A quick blast at 75-90 odd degree's the cpu will handle.

When the system is fixed... Stress the bugger using Prime95 and or 3dmark etc.. hammer the system.

While its being hammered grab the multimeter and check the voltage drop, there should be next to no voltage drop.

IF voltages drop out of spec replace the psu. A voltage drop of 0.01-0.02v I think is acceptable.

[Tangles]

Good idea Cubes, will wack back on the old hsf (damned noisy, like shes on boost lol, hence why I had to replace it, was giving me a daily headache here at work) and try that. Dont have a multimeter unfortunately.

Cant get to bios as the screen wont hook up, PC starts, then restarts, then restarts, etc etc etc. Got a plan of attack for this weekend (retest with stnd hsf, retest with different cpu chip, etc) so we'll see where it takes me.

As for highflows, how about chatting to Adelaide Turbo Services, Paul? Pixl8r got a GT30 highflow from them for his Stagea.....

[Tangles]

Think I scratched the back of the mainboard when I installed the big arsed cpu fan. May have shaggd the mainboard, will know moe over the weekend.

Ummmm, does anyone know what cpu chips are compatible in a Gigabyte GA-8I915P-D Pro mainboard? Currently using a Intel Pentium 4 775 3.4 ghz 650 chip (home pc). What is compatible with the 600-series chips (630 = 3.0, 640 = 3.2, 650 = 3.4, 660 = 3.6)? Some type of Prescott.

If Ive shagged the mainboard of the work PC (EliteGroup L4S5MG3, with Pentium 4 775 3.2 ghz 640 chip), then work can have my GA unit and I'll get a new SLI mainboard for the home pc. If its the cpu thats gone I'll be after a replacement on Monday - Im sure some of the Prescott series can be used but unsure of what model.......

[Madaz]

Cheers mate, lol, I used it all !! doh. Thanks for the information, that is very kind of you.

did u not read the instructions

all HSF assembelies come with paste allready smeared on them this is fine for running a computer with minor overclocking

most 775 CPU under Pentium D are fine for that motherboard ie: all 6** series will work and all the Extreme Edition also see Here for product information

[Cubes]

I've had a few non genuine HSF's that don't have the goop preapplied.

Going from review pics i don't think the golden orb does? Unless the reviewer removed it.

[Madaz]

well i bought a thermaltake from IT warehouse and that had it on TR2-M13 SE for referance

not to worry

you dont even really need to smear it because one you put fan on and clip it down that pressure will spread it out

edit

look @ pics here no thermal paste but it was there when i bought it

http://www.tr2tt.com/products/coolers/m13se/m13se.htm

Edited January 19, 2007 by Madaz

[Howie]

Not all.. i use fac alpha heatsinks, and they don't pre-apply them. Also the use of pre-applied thermal pads was discouraged after what happened to many exploding socket A amd chips a few years ago.

[Howie]

you dont even really need to smear it because one you put fan on and clip it down that pressure will spread it out

edit

You smear it because on an un-lapped heatsink you can end up with an uneven distribution of thermal paste. I recently repaired nozilla's laptop which had this problem, the hsf was mounted in such a way that there was blotchy paste distribution... that caused a tiny hotspot right in the core of the cpu and pretty much fried it. I've got pics to show you what i mean. It doesn't happen often, but if your hsf is not properly lapped then i wouldn't chance it.

[Tangles]

Golden Orb was clean, ie no goop, and there were 3 basic picture instructions. Wasnt much goop, but obviously enough to go out, down and into the cpu chip area, seeing that I didnt spread it out but let the pressure spread it across when the fan was screwed down.

Cheers for the link Madaz, was on that page a little earlier but me silly ol'brain (at work, busy as per the norm) didnt register the cpu list was there, yeah I was sure the Pentium D Prescott range worked as well, thanks for the info lads.

[Madaz]

npz brendan

i was sure Pentium D worked also but it doesnt have a Bios revision for it

[Nightcrawler]

argh if you didn't perfectly spread the thermal paste (=goop) over the CPU, then you have DEFINITELY fried the CPU. You would only need the smallest hot spot for a fraction of a second to fry an Intel CPU. Never, ever, ever just let the pressure of heatsink application spread the goop, as it is NEVER perfectly even.

Dude you really should have gotten a tech like Howie (or even myself) to do it for you - there is a reason guys go to Uni to learn how to fix computers

And like Howie said - noone should EVER use the crap that comes with heatsinks or even worse pre-applied to heatsinks - get some good stuff - I always use Arctic Silver 5 these days

[4door_Sleeper]

- there is a reason guys go to Uni to learn how to fix computers

Uni are still teching Ada and Sun systems.

Uni for IT is really a waste of time unless you want to work in defense. A 4 or 5 year course garanties everything you learnt in the first year is out of date by the time you have finished. It has applications later on for pure research but not a lot of use in day to day IT

[Pauly33GTS-t]

Good idea Cubes, will wack back on the old hsf (damned noisy, like shes on boost lol, hence why I had to replace it, was giving me a daily headache here at work) and try that. Dont have a multimeter unfortunately.

Cant get to bios as the screen wont hook up, PC starts, then restarts, then restarts, etc etc etc. Got a plan of attack for this weekend (retest with stnd hsf, retest with different cpu chip, etc) so we'll see where it takes me.

As for highflows, how about chatting to Adelaide Turbo Services, Paul? Pixl8r got a GT30 highflow from them for his Stagea.....

Didnt I just say i am going to ATS and bill there is hooking me up with a sweet GT30R kit?

On the side of CPUs,

up the c2d's

[Pauly33GTS-t]

Uni are still teching Ada and Sun systems.

Uni for IT is really a waste of time unless you want to work in defense. A 4 or 5 year course garanties everything you learnt in the first year is out of date by the time you have finished. It has applications later on for pure research but not a lot of use in day to day IT

that is so f**ken true.. im using that as an excuse.

[Cubes]

Uni are still teching Ada and Sun systems.

Uni for IT is really a waste of time unless you want to work in defense. A 4 or 5 year course garanties everything you learnt in the first year is out of date by the time you have finished. It has applications later on for pure research but not a lot of use in day to day IT

I didn't learn any Ada or Sun systems in my B.I.T course.

All the hardware side of things (assembly, low level inner workings right down to chip design etc), Linux, Windows, a little dos, a LOT of java, c (I've always liked c), mysql, php, javascript, hex/binary, a LOT of project management a nice slab on networking/internet/protocols, quite a lot of psychology (body language, handling situations/discussions, interpersonal skills, personel selection, and... lol child, abnormal etc psychology) etc... Really too much to list off the top of my head.

The psychology was really quite interesting but the research reports. argg.

At uni the Sun systems are only used for topics that require the server/linux side of things. (webserver, mysql ..........) Apart from linux, we learnt nothing of the 'sun' system.

The course has recently been tweaked a little to drop a lot of the useless psychology (child, abnormal etc) to include statistics/data analysis etc that is far more relevant to I.T.

[Pauly33GTS-t]

i learnt everything from trial and error and experience. and im 20. hmmm...

[Cubes]

One can never learn everything, what is taught at Uni is most definitely valuable.

I left my full time job at the age of 24 and entered Uni thinking exactly the same as you Paul.

[4door_Sleeper]

I didn't learn any Ada or Sun systems in my B.I.T course.

Then Im glad to see they have finally updated the courses.

Cubes, you are/were studying at Flinders? (my experience is with Adelaide Uni - perhaps I should have qualified myself)

At the time (and to a lesser exent even today) Flinders hasnt got the same reputation as Adelaide (its the old school tie bit not the courses) and most industry contacts I have (other than Dpt. Defence and CSIRO)dont consider a degree in IT worth much without time in the field or even some TAFE units behind you.

For many people its more relevent and offers better employment and renumeration prospects to do the MSCE and CISCO units than a degree in ICT. (IMHO and many others)

[Cubes]

Yes it was at Flinders.

You are right it is the old school tie bit.

Networking is what I like so yes Cisco courses is where its at.

Most of the decent jobs *not helpdesk/sales* advertised require some form of tertiary qualification. Simple 'experience' just isn't enough UNLESS you are older and have years of experience behind you. Even then the majority of those do have a qualification.

[Nightcrawler]

I can see where you are coming from Guy, but I am talking ground level things like Joel said - even simple things like ALWAYS wearing an electrostatic wrist strap EVERY time you touch a computer - I see professionals even not doing this and zapping things from time to time.

I sold a brand new AGP video card on Ebay a little while ago (tested it was not DOA before I posted it) and the little prick that bought it zapped it when putting it in his machine. He screamed blue murder I had sold him a faulty card etc and when I asked him if he was wearing an electrostatic wrist strap he asked what one was. I told him to go screw himself.