Stupid Speeding Fine..

[taiphan]

I just got my first speeding fine in a very very long time..

the street is a 60K road but for this small section it was reduced down to 50K (i didn't realise) so i was doing 63 and must hav been caught by a fix camera (haven't driven down that street for a long time and i don't live in that area so did't know there is speed camera there).

the fine was $210 sux.

had anyone successfully got off on this?

do you have to tell Just car?

[justin911]

yeah theres this trick you do...

down the bottom of the fine theres some payment details right.. so what we do is.. you pay the fine as per the details... then you try not to get a speeding fine again

Atleast ull have learnt from the experience... know you no theres a camera there

you dont need to tell just cars btw, you only need to tell em if you loose your licence.. that type of thing

[[SKYXTC]]

If your last speeding fine was around 3 years ago you could possibly try and get off the fine. I received a fine however this was for being 6km/hr over the limit and only 1 demerit point and my last fine was 2 and a half years before this and was also just a 5km/hr fine, I wrote a letter to good old Constable Ritchie and asked for a warning rather than the fine as I had been well behaved on the roads. Around 2 months later I received a letter saying I had been excused from the fine and that it was taken down as a warning. You could try write up a nice letter if you fall into a similar criteria of not receiving any fines for almost 3 years.

[akeenan]

but for this small section it was reduced down to 50K (i didn't realise) so i was doing 63

Was the change from 60km to 50 km sign posted? Even if it wasnt which I assume it would have been. You knew the speed limit was 60 but you were going 63km. Youve just admitted you knew you were doing the wrong thing so why try to get out of it. The same rules apply to everyone. Pay the fine and learn.

[taiphan]

Akeenan

you sound like 50 year old ex traffic cop.. can anyone here honestly put their hand up and say they never went over the limit by at least a few ks now and then.. some are just luckier than other not to get caught..

63 in a 60 zone is hardly doing the wrong thing..

hooning at 100K in a school zone ... now that's doing the wrong thing

ps.. no i didn't see the sign otherwise i wouldn't have done it would i!..

[khunjeng]

hey mate where was it exactly??

[R31Nismoid]

63 in a 60 zone is hardly doing the wrong thing..

Umm, hate to tell you this...

Its breaking the law, no if, buts or maybes.

You were NOT doing 63 in a 60 zone to begin with, you were 13km/h over the limit. That just doesnt "happen"

akeenan is totally correct in what he was saying.

My bet is its signed clearly. The camera's are rarely setup in places without signage so that you cant go to court and try argue the fact there "was no sign"

Pay the fine and get over it.

[saff_cossie]

Without condoning speeding as even 63 in a 60 would most likely have had a speedo reading of 65 as a lot are calibrated under, I believe there is a way out on your first offence.

My gf's step mum a few years back wrote a letter to someone in the traffic authority (not sure who) and was told as a first offence, the points would be waived but not the fine. Now I dont know what speed she was doing but it wouldnt have been that much over otherwise people would live on that extra life line.

[khunjeng]

Without condoning speeding as even 63 in a 60 would most likely have had a speedo reading of 65 as a lot are calibrated under, I believe there is a way out on your first offence.

My gf's step mum a few years back wrote a letter to someone in the traffic authority (not sure who) and was told as a first offence, the points would be waived but not the fine. Now I dont know what speed she was doing but it wouldnt have been that much over otherwise people would live on that extra life line.

all fixed and mobile speed cameras are setup with a tolerence of over 7%...so if they said your doing 63...its pretty likely that is was much more and they gave u the benift of the doubt.

[RyanN]

the town where work theres usually a camera setup just before the 60 to 80km/h sign so they get people who accelerate a bit earlier than they should; got me one day in the supra, the ticket, after the 5km/h deduction got me doing 1km/h over!

[khunjeng]

the town where work theres usually a camera setup just before the 60 to 80km/h sign so they get people who accelerate a bit earlier than they should; got me one day in the supra, the ticket, after the 5km/h deduction got me doing 1km/h over!

ya thats why you can be done for 1-2kmph over...cos its been rounded down for you. Fixed spped might be 9%...used to be 10% in NSW when i set them up...but these days I heard 7-9%...

[adznight]

Don't bother trying to get out of it, just pay it and learn. I've been done recently and it cost me a hell of a lot more than that. Nothing you can do, you speed and you take the chance of being pinged. Simple as that.

[INASNT]

' date='26 Mar 2006, 12:54 PM' post='2048283']

If your last speeding fine was around 3 years ago you could possibly try and get off the fine. I received a fine however this was for being 6km/hr over the limit and only 1 demerit point and my last fine was 2 and a half years before this and was also just a 5km/hr fine, I wrote a letter to good old Constable Ritchie and asked for a warning rather than the fine as I had been well behaved on the roads. Around 2 months later I received a letter saying I had been excused from the fine and that it was taken down as a warning. You could try write up a nice letter if you fall into a similar criteria of not receiving any fines for almost 3 years.

This also works well when you transfer the fine to a relo with a good driving history and then they write the letter in.

Ash your reply was as if you have never ever broken any law. Quite funny

[R31Nismoid]

Hardly.

I've done the time, and if you recall i dont think i complained about it either.

I took the last 3 months of walking in my stride mate

[INASNT]

Yes i remember u walking after getting off the tram near chapel street!!

[gdogzgtr]

It is true that you can write a letter to civic compliance and if it is your first offence and you explain to that fact along with road, weather conditions and how you have learned a big lesson and more than likely get a warning. With speed camera's on side of road they are set at angle of 20% which decreases the reading by around 7KMH to your actual speed. I learned all this at our radar and laser training courses. Also taking 2km/h off as all fines do that means if fined for 63 you would have been doing in excess of 70.

Wonder if anyone in here knew that. Puts a dampner on people complaining for 3kmh over fines. Even if were caught speeding in marked police car we have a BIG please explain and will get the fine if we had no justified reason to speed at that time.

[Taso84]

It is true that you can write a letter to civic compliance and if it is your first offence and you explain to that fact along with road, weather conditions and how you have learned a big lesson and more than likely get a warning. With speed camera's on side of road they are set at angle of 20% which decreases the reading by around 7KMH to your actual speed. I learned all this at our radar and laser training courses. Also taking 2km/h off as all fines do that means if fined for 63 you would have been doing in excess of 70.

Wonder if anyone in here knew that. Puts a dampner on people complaining for 3kmh over fines. Even if were caught speeding in marked police car we have a BIG please explain and will get the fine if we had no justified reason to speed at that time.

Dont know about that, but i do know for sure that the fixed ones are pretty accurate, and theres no 7km/h taken off. Was pinned for doing 66 in 60 zone by camera on Alexandra Pde, and yes, i was doing 66. Mayb its just the mobile ones that r inaccurate

[gdogzgtr]

The Km's are lower due to the angle of the radar, its a physics thing I can't explain in detail I see it everytime I use radar though. I see changes from when car passes me at say 45 deg angle doing 60 and by the time the angle drops to 5 deg or less speed change of around 10 km/h more. Fixed camera's not as bad if on bridge or sign would be very accurate as little to no angle. One day will arrage radar to demonstrate if you like.

[GTRgeoff]

No it's OK, I'm a radar and laser expert (in the Defence/Weapons system/Guided missile field) and it's not a physics thing but a Euclidian geometry thing called the Pythagoras theorem.

I'm actually hoping to catch you for a beer some time Graeme and see this car that took so long to get delivered. No I'm not anti your job and have a few mates on the force. But I am anti speed cameras and pro more cops on the job keeping us safe by exercising judgement, as well as advocating better driver training. BTW I'm fine free for almost 12 years. I do not represent people in court.

Maybe others would be interested in a demo, especially a detailed discussion on sidelobing and other interference that reduces the accuracy and validity of the readings, like the 2GHz frequency of water spray in the rain that is also a sampling frequency of the Silver Eagle vehicle mounted system Also maybe the failure by any Aussie Police service/force/radar operator to meet scientifically approved testing and manufacturers servicing and calibration criteria.

Anyway taiphan, I suggest you first of all ask for the picture, which you have to pay for and assure yourself that it is in fact your car and no others are in the image. Also look for any metal objects that may reflect radiation causing an incorrect reading which means the camera was not set up in accordance with the operations manual. If you have no reasonable defences then just suck it up.

You could also elect to take it to court and right up to entering the court room you can elect to pay the tax (oops I mean the fine) and any administrative fee and it will have cost the state more than your fine and admin fee. Might make the government start thinking differently if this were done more often to clog the courts and destroy any income benefit.

Ash, again you post on technical matters completely unarmed. Tell me in kmh how thick your speedo needle is. Pretty easy for it to be more than 3kmh off line especially if you sit funny (called parralax error)which you'd have to with that head. If you weren't such a good bloke I'd have the Wog smack you one. He can't miss

[Yawn]

Hey guys ive driven past traffic lights and there was a large flash behind me a couple of times and there were no trams in the vicinity so im guessing it was a fixed speed camera, however ive nvr gotten any speeding fines mailed to my door. Do these fines actually get mailed to you or do you have to call up and check or something like that? Is there any website that you can go to to check if you have any fines outstanding?